Vatican 2 a Pastoral Council

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Since Vatican 2 was a pastoral council and not a doctrinal council, nothing should have changed in Church teachings. Why have so many things changed in Church teachings when not one iota of doctrine was declared, nor heresy renounced in this council as was in the previous councils for almost 2000 years?
 
Further, many of the changes we see today were not called for by the council. As we read the conciliar documents, we will find that there were no directives, no plan to carry out change. No change was needed. We simply restated our beliefs and made them contemporary. That is all. Yet, the funny part is, we don’t have Latin in the Liturgy when article 36 of Sacrosanctum Concilium explicitly states that Latin is to remain unchanged.
 
John XXIII had a very different idea of what Vatican II should be than Paul VI
 
It might be a good idea to read Pope Paul VI general audience on the council.
General Audience of Paul VI, January 12, 1966
Link to this article by referencing this address:
lumengentleman.com/content.asp?id=161
Editor’s Note: This text does not appear to be readily available on the Internet in English. The Vatican web site has the text of the speech, but only in Italian. Since this is one of the more frequently quoted documents amongst Traditionalists - because of the admission of Paul VI contained herein that the Second Vatican Council did not pronounce any infallible dogma - it seemed useful to provide the full text in English for various readers and researchers on the Internet. The text here is taken from The Pope Speaks, the English-language version of the AAS.
English Translation of the General Audience
[p. 152] The Church’s life is dominated by the Ecumenical Council which concluded last December. It isn’t just the remembrance of such a great and unusual event that should occupy our minds. Remembrance has to do with something that is finished: the memory collects it, history records it, tradition preserves it; but the whole process has to do with a time that is over and done with, an event that has happened. The Council, on the other hand, leaves something behind it that endures and continues to act. It is like a spring from which a river rises; the spring may be a long way off, but the course of the river goes along with us. You might say that the Council leaves itself to the Church that celebrated it. It doesn’t so much oblige us to look back to the act of its celebration as to look at the heritage it has left us, one that it present now and will continue for the future. What is this heritage?
The heritage of the Council consists of the documents that were promulgated on several different occasions at the conclusion of its discussions and deliberations. These documents differ in nature - there are constitutions (four), decrees (nine), and declarations [p. 153] (three) - but all of them together make up a body of doctrines and laws that ought to give the Church that renewal for which the Council was held. It is the duty and the good fortune of men in the post-Conciliar period to get to know these documents, to study them and to apply them.
You have to be careful, for the teachings of the Council do not constitute a complete, organic system of Catholic doctrine. Doctrine is much more extensive, as everyone knows, and it wasn’t called into question by the Council nor substantially modified. Instead, the Council confirms, illustrates, defends, and develops it with a most authoritative apologia full of wisdom, vigor and confidence. And it is the Council’s doctrinal aspect that we have to consider first in order to pay honor to the word of God, which remains univocal and lasting like a light that doesn’t fail, and in order to strengthen our souls. From the Council’s solemn and open voice they learn what a providential office Christ entrusted to the living magisterium of the Church in order to preserve, defend, and interpret the “deposit of faith.” (cf. Humani generis, A.A.S. 42, 1950, p. 567)
We mustn’t separate the teachings of the Council from the doctrinal heritage of the Church. Instead we must take a good look at where they fit into it and at how they are consistent with it and supply it with added testimony, growth, explanation, and application. Then even the “novelties” in doctrine or regulation coming from the Council will be seen in their proper proportions and will not give rise to objections about the Church’s fidelity to its teaching function, but will acquire that true meaning which makes it shine with a higher light.
Therefore, may the Council help the faithful, whether teachers or students, to overcome those states of mind - denial, indifference, doubt, subjectivism, and so on - that are contrary to the purity and strength of faith. The Council is a great act of the magisterium of the Church, and anyone who adheres to the Council is, by that very fact, recognizing and honoring the magisterium of the Church. This was the first idea that motivated Pope John XXIII to convoke the Council, as he said so well at its opening: “ut iterum magisterium ecclesiasticum … affirmaretur.” “Our first aim,” he said, “in convoking this vast assembly was to reassert the magisterium of the Church.” (AAS 54, 1962, 786)
 
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Thus a person wouldn’t be correct in thinking that the Council represents a cutting loose, a break, or, as some think, a liberation from the traditional teaching of the [p. 154] Church; nor would he be correct in thinking that it authorizes and fosters a ready conformity to the mentality of our time in its negative and ephemeral elements rather than those which are scientific and secure; nor in thinking that it grants anyone whatsoever the right to give any value and any expression he pleases to the truths of the faith. The Council opens up many new horizons to biblical, theological and humanistic studies; it invites men to do more research into the religious sciences and to go into them more deeply. But it doesn’t deprive Christian thought of its rigor in speculation, and it doesn’t grant free entry into the Church’s philosophy, theology, and Scripture classes to the arbitrary judgement, the uncertainty, the servility, and the desolation that characterize so many forms of modern religious thought, when it is deprived of the help of the magisterium of the Church.
Some people have asked what authority, what theological qualification the Council intended to attribute to its teaching, since it clearly avoided issuing solemn dogmatic definitions that would involve the infallibility of the magisterium. The answer is clear for anyone who recalls the Council declaration issued on March 6, 1964, and repeated on November 16, 1964. (Cf. Notificationes: A.A.S. 57, 1965, 72-75) In view of the pastoral nature of the Council, it avoided any extraordinary statement of dogmas that would be endowed with the note of infallibility, but it still provided its teaching with the authority of the supreme ordinary magisterium. This ordinary magisterium, which is so obviously official, has to be accepted with docility, and sincerity by all the faithful, in accordance with the mind of the Council on the nature and aims of the individual documents.
We must enter into the spirit of these basic criteria of the Church’s magisterium and see to it that our minds increase their trust in the Church’s guidance along the sure paths of faith and Christian life. If this is done by good Catholics - the fine sons of the Church, and especially scholars, theologians, teachers, those who spread the word of God, as well as students and seekers of the genuine doctrine that springs from the Gospel and is professed by the Church - then it is to be hoped that faith, and also Christian and civil life, will witness a great restoration of the kind that comes from the saving truth. For indeed the “Spirit of the Council” wants to be the Spirit of Truth. (Jn. 16:13)
May Our blessing help you to understand this Spirit and to make it your own.
 
No new doctrines were introduced at Vatican 2. However, if it were entirely “pastoral” then one would think its effects would gradually diminish over time and no one will care anymore. That doesn’t appear to have happened, controversies keep erupting. The “smoke of Satan” is alive and well.
 
It might be a good idea to read Pope Paul VI general audience on the council.
“We mustn’t separate the teachings of the Council from the doctrinal heritage of the Church. Instead we must take a good look at where they fit into it and at how they are consistent with it and supply it with added testimony, growth, explanation, and application. **Then even the “novelties” in doctrine **or regulation coming from the Council will be seen in their proper proportions and will not give rise to objections about the Church’s fidelity to its teaching function, but will acquire that true meaning which makes it shine with a higher light”

"Novelties"in doctrine? He’s got that right.
 
I]General Audience of Paul VI, January 12, 1966
“The Council, on the other hand, leaves something behind it that endures and continues to act. It is like a spring from which a river rises; the spring may be a long way off, but the course of the river goes along with us. You might say that the Council leaves itself to the Church that celebrated it…Therefore, may the Council help the faithful, whether teachers or students, to overcome those states of mind - denial, indifference, doubt, subjectivism, and so on….Thus a person wouldn’t be correct in thinking that the Council represents a cutting loose, a break, or, as some think, a liberation from the traditional teaching of the Church

Only a few years later Pope Paul had a different view when he said, "We looked forward to a flowering, a serene expansion of concepts which matured in the great sessions of the Council…** [instead, i]t is as if the Church were destroying herself…**.“We have the impression that through some cracks in the wall the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God:… Doubt, uncertainty ,questioning, dissatisfaction, confrontation… We thought that after the Council a day of sunshine would have dawned for the history of the Church. What dawned, instead, was a day of clouds and storms, of darkness, of searching and uncertainties.” (7) 7. Pope Paul VI, Address on the Ninth Anniversary of His Pontificate, June 29, 1972.
General Audience of Paul VI, January 12, 1966
“We mustn’t separate the teachings of the Council from the doctrinal heritage of the Church. Instead we must take a good look at where they fit into it and at how they are consistent with it and supply it with added testimony, growth, explanation, and application. **Then even the “novelties” in doctrine **or regulation coming from the Council will be seen in their proper proportions and will not give rise to objections about the Church’s fidelity to its teaching function, but will acquire that true meaning which makes it shine with a higher light.”
PASCENDI DOMINICI GREGIS vatican.va/holy_father/pius_x/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis_en.html
42…But for Catholics the second Council of Nicea will always have the force of law, where it condemns those who dare, after the impious fashion of heretics, to deride the ecclesiastical traditions,
to invent novelties of some kind **. . . or endeavour by malice or craft to overthrow any one of the legitimate traditions of the Catholic Church.

Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos, August 15, 1832.
papalencyclicals.net/Greg16/g16mirar.htm
“To use the words of the fathers of Trent, it is certain that the Church ‘was instructed by Jesus Christ and His Apostles and that all truth was daily taught it by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.’ Therefore, it is obviously absurd and injurious to propose a certain ‘restoration and regeneration’ for her as though necessary for her safety and growth, as if she could be considered subject to defect or obscuration or other misfortune.** Indeed these authors of novelties **consider that a ‘foundation may be laid of a new human institution,’ and what Cyprian detested may come to pass, that what was a divine thing ‘may become a human church.’”
 
General Audience of Paul VI, January 12, 1966
“Some people have asked what authority, what theological qualification the Council intended to attribute to its teaching, since it clearly avoided issuing solemn dogmatic definitions that would involve the infallibility of the magisterium. The answer is clear for anyone who recalls the Council declaration issued on March 6, 1964, and repeated on November 16, 1964. (Cf. Notificationes: A.A.S. 57, 1965, 72-75) In view of the pastoral nature of the Council, it avoided any extraordinary statement of dogmas that would be endowed with the note of infallibility, but it still provided its teaching with the authority of the supreme ordinary magisterium. This ordinary magisterium, which is so obviously official, has to be accepted with docility, and sincerity by all the faithful, in accordance with the mind of the Council on the nature and aims of the individual documents.”
Infallibility
sspxasia.com/Documents/SiSiNoNo/2002_January/Popes_Infallible_Magisterium.htm

“Because it declared itself to be non-dogmatic, the charism of infallibility cannot be claimed for the last Council, except insofar as it was re-iterating traditional teaching. Moreover, what is offered as the Ordinary Pontifical Magisterium of the recent popes - apart from certain acts - cannot claim the qualification of the “Ordinary Infallible Magisterium.” The pontifical documents **on the novelties **which have troubled and confused the consciences of the faithful manifest no concern whatsoever to adhere to the teaching of “venerable predecessors.” They cannot adhere to them because they have broken with them. Look at the footnotes of Dominus Jesus; it’s as if the Magisterium of the preceding popes did not exist. It is clear that when today’s popes contradict the traditional Magisterium of yesterday’s popes, our obedience is due to yesterday’s popes: this is a manifest sign of a period of grave ecclesial crisis, of abnormal times in the life of the Church.”
 
What Ecumenical Council isn’t pastoral?
Maybe the question then should be whether Vatican II was a true ecumenical council? I submit that because it only addressed the Latin Rite (Latin to be retained in the liturgy, etc.) it was not a true ecumenical council. Or have I missed something?
 
Maybe the question then should be whether Vatican II was a true ecumenical council? I submit that because it only addressed the Latin Rite (Latin to be retained in the liturgy, etc.) it was not a true ecumenical council. Or have I missed something?
It addressed in post-conciliar documents many elements of the Eastern Churches. In particular, it reaffirms many traditional restrictions within the Eastern Churches, and calls for these self-governing (Sui Iuris) churches to de-latinize. It’s a major issue in the Ukraine, where a group of “traditionalists” (the Fraternal Society of St. Josephat, or FSSJ) are calling for continuing the use of the latinized liturgies, in the face of their Major Archbishop Cardinal Hussar having returned the practice of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church Sui Iuris to a more “traditional Byzantine” approach; some see this return to a delatinized liturgy as antiquarianism, others as imitation of Russian Orthodoxy, others still as a return to proper tradition.

Very little was done by the Council in session; most of the meat of V II was done by various special bodies appointed by/from the council, and released later. The Daughters of St. Paul published a two volume set of the Post Conciliar documents. Eastern Churches are referenced. I seem to recall that that is in volume II, but I know there are documents from the conciliar process directly affecting all 22 Sui Iuris non-Roman churches in Union with Rome.

The Council itself ended before I was born, but some of its “results” in the form of delegations’ decrees came out in my youth. Including the final form of the new Roman Missal.
 
Since Vatican 2 was a pastoral council and not a doctrinal council, nothing should have changed in Church teachings. Why have so many things changed in Church teachings when not one iota of doctrine was declared, nor heresy renounced in this council as was in the previous councils for almost 2000 years?
Really it was an interim council. It didn’t anathematise anyone because Protestants were invited to attend but not given a vote. To listen to a protestant respectfully and seriously give his position, then declare it anathema, wouldn’t have been helpful. To seriously come to a joint position that something was anthema might have been more useful, but would have implied that something not anathematised was acceptable. So no anathemas was probably the best policy.
 
Where in the council documents does it say that the council was purely pastoral?
It didn’t have to. The Pope who started the Council, and the Pope who finished the Council said so. Since they are the authority in interpreting the Council, and they say it’s pastoral, that’s good enough for me.
 
What Ecumenical Council isn’t pastoral?
Good point. Keep in mind that “patoral” is not a recognized category of councils that possess or lack any qualities to make it different from other general councils. It’s just a descriptive term. Some traditionalists have grabbed this term and emphasized it as if it was an official term for unique type of council, but it’s not.
 
Good point. Keep in mind that “patoral” is not a recognized category of councils that possess or lack any qualities to make it different from other general councils. It’s just a descriptive term. Some traditionalists have grabbed this term and emphasized it as if it was an official term for unique type of council, but it’s not.
The other point is that “pastoral” is not a synonym for “unimportant” or “not binding”. However a pastoral decision does by its nature deal with a particular historical situation - like Western modernism - rather than that of all Christians at all places and all times.
 
Some traditionalists have grabbed this term and emphasized it as if it was an official term for unique type of council, but it’s not.
Well Vatican II was a unique type of Council, in that it was the only Council that didn’t define any Dogma.
 
It didn’t have to. The Pope who started the Council, and the Pope who finished the Council said so. Since they are the authority in interpreting the Council, and they say it’s pastoral, that’s good enough for me.
Actually, the pope that started the council used the phrase “predominately pastoral in character”, not exclusively pastoral.
 
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