Vatican 2 "defined NO dogma at all" ?!

[PetraG]

It seems that you are talking about the kinds of things that people are questioning, which are in some ways different today than they were long ago. But I think that there have always been serious questions, and many disputes. The need for the ecumenical councils demonstrates that, I think. In times past the questions included very basic tenants of the faith, like the nature of Christ and the Trinity, for example.

You may be right, its hard to say. I am generally skeptical, however, whenever people believe that the time they live in is unique or extreme. Every time seems unique and extreme to those living it, every problem is odd and unprecedented when it first arises. I doubt that our time is really unique or unusual, as there is truly nothing new under the sun.

If you can think of anything in the past that was analogous to being able to watch things going on in other parts of the world in real time and to be able to send your ideas out where anyone on the planet can read them and where popular people communicate with countless followers not just on a regular basis but continually over the course of the day while at the same time people can get together and have discussions with other people around the world about anything whatsoever while everyone remains anonymous, I’d like to hear it. I think that is what is different now than in times past. People with odd ideas used to be isolated. Now they know they are not alone.

We may be at the high-water mark of that kind of widespread anonymous communication, too. Time will tell. There hasn’t been another time when so many people can communicate so freely with so many other people and do it so fast.

 

[ConcernedConvert]

I totally agree. Unfortunately in a time in our history where the church would need strict tradition to battle modernist movements and the sexual revolution the most, it created ambiguous teachings that could not be relied on for clarity.

 

[Malcolm]

it [the church] created ambiguous teachings that could not be relied on for clarity.

in my view ambiguous teachings have been worse than having had no Vatican II at all - where there had been clarity for centuries now we just have a mess and it’s getting worse , fast.

The more they try to make the faith seem palatable to the world the less it has to do with Christ.