Vatican Allows Nun to Join the SSPX

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jmj1984 said:
If you want a persons opinion on a subject its always best to read what he wrote not what you think he wrote or what you heard he wrote.
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I’m sure Lefebvre did not anathematize himself in the way you’re suggesting. After all, it is de fide:
And since the Roman Pontiff is at the head of the universal Church by the divine right of apostolic primacy, We teach and declare also that he is the supreme judge of the faithful, and that in all cases pertaining to ecclesiastical examination recourse can be had to his judgment; moreover, that the judgment of the Apostolic See, whose authority is not surpassed, is to be disclaimed by no one, nor is anyone permitted to pass judgment on its judgment. Therefore, they stray from the straight path of truth who affirm that it is permitted to appeal from the judgments of the Roman Pontiffs to an ecumenical Council, as to an authority higher than the Roman Pontiff.

If anyone thus speaks, that the Roman Pontiff has only the office of inspection or direction, but not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the universal Church, not only in things which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which pertain to the discipline and government of the Church spread over the whole world; or, that he possesses only the more important parts, but not the whole plenitude of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate, or over the churches altogether and individually, and over the pastors and the faithful altogether and individually: anathema sit.
 
MarkThompson said:
I’m sure Lefebvre did not anathematize himself in the way you’re suggesting. After all, it is de fide:
And since the Roman Pontiff is at the head of the universal Church by the divine right of apostolic primacy, We teach and declare also that he is the supreme judge of the faithful, and that in all cases pertaining to ecclesiastical examination recourse can be had to his judgment; moreover, that the judgment of the Apostolic See, whose authority is not surpassed, is to be disclaimed by no one, nor is anyone permitted to pass judgment on its judgment. Therefore, they stray from the straight path of truth who affirm that it is permitted to appeal from the judgments of the Roman Pontiffs to an ecumenical Council, as to an authority higher than the Roman Pontiff.

If anyone thus speaks, that the Roman Pontiff has only the office of inspection or direction, but not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the univiersal Church, not only in things which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which pertain to the discipline and government of the Church spread over the whole world; or, that he possesses only the more important parts, but not the whole plenitude of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate, or over the churches altogether and individually, and over the pastors and the faithful altogether and individually: anathema sit.
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A statement that neither I nor the Archbishop nor Blessed Cardinal Henry Newman disagree with and yet none of us believe that the papal power is absolute and without limits indeed Blessed Cardinal Henry Newman strongly condemned such a view.
 
So if the SSPX can’t grant valid absolution to whom does the Vatican, who approved this move, think she will be confessing to?
 
Cider said:
So if the SSPX can’t grant valid absolution to whom does the Vatican, who approved this move, think she will be confessing to?
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  1. A diocesan or other legitimate priest, of course.
  2. Who ever said the Vatican approved any such move? You’ll please note that the “sisters’” website linked in post #1 has been hastily taken down. Hmmm … :hmmm:
 
Cider said:
So if the SSPX can’t grant valid absolution to whom does the Vatican, who approved this move, think she will be confessing to?
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:confused: who knows? I bet she’ll be :mad: when’s she has to call up the local priest to come all the way to the convent to hear her confessions
 
MarkThompson said:
  1. A diocesan or other legitimate priest, of course.
  2. Who ever said the Vatican approved any such move? You’ll please note that the “sisters’” website linked in post #1 has been hastily taken down. Hmmm … :hmmm:
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There have been a few cases where individual SSPX priests have been granted faculties by the ordinary. Perhaps this is one of those cases.
 
Not odd. They were asked to remove the posting and did so.
That does not mean that it was untrue, just that it was not intended to be public knowledge.
 
I think this entire thread could be misleading as there is still no confirmation of what is said to have happened here from the Vatican itself. As to the question of SSPX confessions and their validity their supporters and priests of the SSPX are the only ones arguing that their confessions are valid. They are likely a poor judge of the situation. But when you have a schismatic mentality it seems a small matter to make yourself judge as you submit to no one.
The PCED did say that the sacraments of penance and marriage are invalid when performed by priests of the SSPX. No, that is not the Church but it is better than opinions of the SSPX.
The SSPX seems to have an inconsistent position on these subjects. For years they argued that the excommunications imposed on them were not valid, then they petitioned the Vatican to lift those excommunications!
The fact remains that the SSPX is not prepared to be governed by anyone or to accept the opinions of anyone else but themselves.

y.
 
Yoyoma67 said:
I think this entire thread could be misleading as there is still no confirmation of what is said to have happened here from the Vatican itself. As to the question of SSPX confessions and their validity their supporters and priests of the SSPX are the only ones arguing that their confessions are valid. They are likely a poor judge of the situation. But when you have a schismatic mentality it seems a small matter to make yourself judge as you submit to no one.
The PCED did say that the sacraments of penance and marriage are invalid when performed by priests of the SSPX. No, that is not the Church but it is better than opinions of the SSPX.
The SSPX seems to have an inconsistent position on these subjects. For years they argued that the excommunications imposed on them were not valid, then they petitioned the Vatican to lift those excommunications!
The fact remains that the SSPX is not prepared to be governed by anyone or to accept the opinions of anyone else but themselves.

y.
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The fact you wrote this shows how little you know on the subject and how little effort you’ve made to understand it.
 
jmj1984 said:
The fact you wrote this shows how little you know on the subject and how little effort you’ve made to understand it.
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You are not my judge. Your post says nothing, but of course I submit myself to the Church in all things and will not attempt to rationalize my positions, unlike the SSPX. Those with a bad conscience will work very hard to rationalize their position. If Rome gave a formal ruling on the subject, the SSPX would still reject it as they reject Vatican II and the post conciliar Magisterium.

y.
 
jmj1984 said:
The fact you wrote this shows how little you know on the subject and how little effort you’ve made to understand it.
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You cannot be so dismissive towards criticism of the SSPX.
Yoyoma67 said:
The fact remains that the SSPX is not prepared to be governed by anyone or to accept the opinions of anyone else but themselves.
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Precisely why I dislike the SSPX.
 
Cider said:
So if the SSPX can’t grant valid absolution to whom does the Vatican, who approved this move, think she will be confessing to?
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I have to wonder if the Vatican really approved such a thing. Without seeibg the actual decree we do not know that this has happened as reported.

Also we do not have any real information as to what occurred.
 
Yoyoma67 said:
You are not my judge. Your post says nothing, but of course I submit myself to the Church in all things and will not attempt to rationalize my positions, unlike the SSPX. Those with a bad conscience will work very hard to rationalize their position. If Rome gave a formal ruling on the subject, the SSPX would still reject it as they reject Vatican II and the post conciliar Magisterium.

y.
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Just keep on digging that hole you’re sitting in 🙂
 
Te_Deum said:
You cannot be so dismissive towards criticism of the SSPX.

Precisely why I dislike the SSPX.
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When its clear the person has made no attempt to research the matter whatsoever then no I’m not going to pay attentiom to their criticism.
 
jmj1984 said:
When its clear the person has made no attempt to research the matter whatsoever then no I’m not going to pay attentiom to their criticism.
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Then make no response at all. Otherwise it’s self contradiction on your part. Spell check might help too.

y.
 
Yoyoma67 said:
You are not my judge. Your post says nothing, but of course I submit myself to the Church in all things and will not attempt to rationalize my positions, unlike the SSPX. Those with a bad conscience will work very hard to rationalize their position. If Rome gave a formal ruling on the subject, the SSPX would still reject it as they reject Vatican II and the post conciliar Magisterium.

y.
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I don’t believe the SSPX have a bad conscience.
 
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