Vatican and Liberation Theology

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From what I know about liberation theology, I don’t see how the Church can support it. I mean sure, helping the poor is part of the Church’s mission, but liberation theology focuses on the State being the agent for good in society, and not the Church. So I can see the Church saying that helping the poor is laudible, but that’s different than supporting liberation theology as a valid system.

[Edit] – Oh, and as far as the poll goes, the Church supports a monarchy, and always has - the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
Liberation theology demands that the majority, if not the entirety of those served, feel the need for liberation, and a need to seek it (even if actual) outside of themselves. That is a terribly damaging proposition to those people and the societies they make up. The Church does not currently appear able to liberate itself, much less any others (i.e., banking issues). They are not in a position to hand out life-rafts, or even inflate their own.
 
Honestly, The Church supports a Monarchy, it always has, Temporal Kings here on earth and the Heavenly King, Most people have forgotten this due to the rise and popularization of Democratic Republics, Which of course is just a product of the so-called enlightenment.

The Church clearly has a heavy preference with Monarchies, Blessed Charles I of Austria-Hungary, St Joan d’Arc, St Stephen of Hungary, St Helen, Mother of Emporer Constantine, St louis IX and so much more. I mean how much Democratic leaders are Saints? Democracies collapse, they always do, Ironically from the same principles they hold so dear.

I could not imagine the Church would be the same if it hadn’t supported Monarchy, Catholic Monarchy that is.

I pray for the Restoration of True Catholic Monarchies every day, oddly, my love of History and the great Catholic Monarchs and Monarchist saints are the reason i decided to convert.
 
pbmbfl said:
Honestly, The Church supports a Monarchy, it always has, Temporal Kings here on earth and the Heavenly King, Most people have forgotten this due to the rise and popularization of Democratic Republics, Which of course is just a product of the so-called enlightenment.

The Church clearly has a heavy preference with Monarchies, Blessed Charles I of Austria-Hungary, St Joan d’Arc, St Stephen of Hungary, St Helen, Mother of Emporer Constantine, St louis IX and so much more. I mean how much Democratic leaders are Saints? Democracies collapse, they always do, Ironically from the same principles they hold so dear.

I could not imagine the Church would be the same if it hadn’t supported Monarchy, Catholic Monarchy that is.

I pray for the Restoration of True Catholic Monarchies every day, oddly, my love of History and the great Catholic Monarchs and Monarchist saints are the reason i decided to convert.
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The Church supports any political system that promotes the common good. Historically the Church has supported Monarchy because good Catholics were frequently monarchs. But we’ve come a long way from saying monarchy is inherently better than democracy, which unfortunately sometimes became the reasoning behind why the Papacy has universal jurisdiction. It appears that the Church thinks the democratic system is the best to promote the common good, at least right now, or else the Compendium wouldn’t have a whole section within a chapter devoted to democracy. :twocents:
 
Booter said:
Personally, I love the fact that the Church is refocusing it’s efforts on the poor. However, it makes me wonder, if the Church ran things what would be the form of government?
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The Church does run a government. She runs Vatican City which is a sovereign city-state government with the Pope as the head of state. So however She runs this is how She would most likely run another government. But the Church, being the Kingdom of God, is a monarchy with Christ as our King and the Pope as Christ’s Vicar on earth. “The Church, or, in other words, the kingdom of Christ now present in mystery, grows visibly through the power of God in the world.” - Vatican II, Lumen Gentium, 3
 
Booter said:
Personally, I love the fact that the Church is refocusing it’s efforts on the poor.
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It started around 50 yrs. ago.
However, it makes me wonder, if the Church ran things what would be the form of government? Sorry, if it doesn’t allow you to read the whole story but the gist is that the Church is embracing liberation theology a la Archbishop Oscar Romero
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  1. The Church doesn’t run things. The Church isn’t supposed to be identified with the political community. Paradoxically, that’s the reason Vatican City exists. That autonomy has been granted to the laity, and it’s this healthy secularism that the Church supports.
  2. Embracing? As in we are called to help the poor? The positive aspects of Liberation theology have been accepted by Archbishop Muller, Benedict XVI, John Paul II, etc; IOW the Church embraces and has embraced from the beginning what is right about Liberation theology. But if you mean the Marxism that accompanies it, the answer is NO!
 
livingwordunity said:
The Church does run a government. She runs Vatican City which is a sovereign city-state government with the Pope as the head of state. So however She runs this is how She would most likely run another government. But the Church, being the Kingdom of God, is a monarchy with Christ as our King and the Pope as Christ’s Vicar on earth. “The Church, or, in other words, the kingdom of Christ now present in mystery, grows visibly through the power of God in the world.” - Vatican II, Lumen Gentium, 3
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But to add something to what I said, what kind of government the Church is and would be if She were running things is a different question than what kind of government the Church would recommend for secular governments that are not in union with the Catholic Church.
 
pbmbfl said:
Honestly, The Church supports a Monarchy, it always has, Temporal Kings here on earth and the Heavenly King, Most people have forgotten this due to the rise and popularization of Democratic Republics, Which of course is just a product of the so-called enlightenment.

The Church clearly has a heavy preference with Monarchies, Blessed Charles I of Austria-Hungary, St Joan d’Arc, St Stephen of Hungary, St Helen, Mother of Emporer Constantine, St louis IX and so much more. I mean how much Democratic leaders are Saints? Democracies collapse, they always do, Ironically from the same principles they hold so dear.

I could not imagine the Church would be the same if it hadn’t supported Monarchy, Catholic Monarchy that is.

I pray for the Restoration of True Catholic Monarchies every day, oddly, my love of History and the great Catholic Monarchs and Monarchist saints are the reason i decided to convert.
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I agree. In a Monachy, God Himself chooses the leader.

Howevever, looking at the poll results, I am suprised that so many (presumably mainly USA-ites) have selected monarchy.

Perhaps if you could induce Mr. Obama to ask sufficiently politely, Her Most Excellent Majesty the Queen, Gratia Dei et Defensor Fidei, may graciously condescend to accept the apologies and the return to sanity of the USA, its most wayward and prodigal son…(Just joking- sort of…)
 
Qoeleth said:
I agree. In a Monachy, God Himself chooses the leader.

Howevever, looking at the poll results, I am suprised that so many (presumably mainly USA-ites) have selected monarchy.

Perhaps if you could induce Mr. Obama to ask sufficiently politely, Her Most Excellent Majesty the Queen, Gratia Dei et Defensor Fidei, may graciously condescend to accept the apologies and the return to sanity of the USA, its most wayward and prodigal son…(Just joking- sort of…)
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I was surprised also, i just don’t trust our “Democratic” Governments at all and i’m not defending Obama but the abuse of power didn’t start under Obama, it was highly embraced by the founders aswel, that’s quite a touchy subject but its one i can’t ignore, Obama however has brought out the worst of i all.

You know, there was a very good reason why Louis XVI did not accept the demands of the third estate, he knew that it was all too easy to manipulate the masses.

The Pope at the time did warn about this, and on the Queen of England, the British Monarchy today seems like its completely lost it, but that is the price of yielding to popular trends.
 
CrossofChrist said:
The Church supports any political system that promotes the common good. Historically the Church has supported Monarchy because good Catholics were frequently monarchs. But we’ve come a long way from saying monarchy is inherently better than democracy, which unfortunately sometimes became the reasoning behind why the Papacy has universal jurisdiction. It appears that the Church thinks the democratic system is the best to promote the common good, at least right now, or else the Compendium wouldn’t have a whole section within a chapter devoted to democracy. :twocents:
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Well yes, the Church had to obviously contend with the rise of Republicanism and could not simply shun it but that doesn’t mean that it rejects Monarchy, People like Saint Joan fought for their Kingdoms and often died doing it.

The Vendee also comes to mind, Democracy is such a two sided term, certainly there are many that would consider Monarchies truer democracies than Republics.
 
pbmbfl said:
Well yes, the Church had to obviously contend with the rise of Republicanism and could not simply shun it but that doesn’t mean that it rejects Monarchy, People like Saint Joan fought for their Kingdoms and often died doing it.
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Right. But no one form of government is inherently better than the other. It just so happens republican/democratic states, with the exception of a couple brief periods, have been accepting of disordered values, while monarchies have a history more god-like (and ungod-like as well) leaders
 
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