Vatican Archbishop Criticizes Notre Dame for Inviting Pro-Abortion Obama

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South Bend, IN – A top Vatican leader is the latest to speak out against the University of Notre Dame for inviting pro-abortion President Barack Obama to give its commencement address. Archbishop Raymond Burke, who essentially leads the Vatican’s top court, said Notre Dame was wrong to invite Obama.

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juliee said:
South Bend, IN – A top Vatican leader is the latest to speak out against the University of Notre Dame for inviting pro-abortion President Barack Obama to give its commencement address. Archbishop Raymond Burke, who essentially leads the Vatican’s top court, said Notre Dame was wrong to invite Obama.

Full story at: lifenews.com/state4127.html
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What lofty principle could Notre Dame possibly be holding on to, to give undue praise and honor to a pro-death president, such that it disregards its local bishops statements, has put itself at odds with the U.S. bishops and now…the Vatican? 🤷
 
Well I just hope that the Vatican takes a firm stance on this before it is too late. Surely if an official Vatican statement were made, the Notre Dame speech would be cancelled. Or at least I hope…:confused:
 
AdriannaJean said:
Well I just hope that the Vatican takes a firm stance on this before it is too late. Surely if an official Vatican statement were made, the Notre Dame speech would be cancelled. Or at least I hope…:confused:
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Don’t hold your breath.

IMO, Jesus could appear in all his glory and order that they retract their invitation - and they’d refuse. (and probably accuse Him of being a phony)
 
mapleoak said:
What lofty principle could Notre Dame possibly be holding on to, to give undue praise and honor to a pro-death president, such that it disregards its local bishops statements, has put itself at odds with the U.S. bishops and now…the Vatican? 🤷
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The excuse the priest who is president of Notre Dame was that since BHO is not Catholic, the rules of morality do not apply to him.

Every time Archbishop Burke says something publicly, my respect and fraternal love for him grows ever stronger.
 
It is like Martin Luther and the Pope. Both sides of the issue are so frozen in that there is no retreat possible on either side. It is absolutely sad. :sad_bye:
 
rwoehmke said:
It is like Martin Luther and the Pope. Both sides of the issue are so frozen in that there is no retreat possible on either side. It is absolutely sad. :sad_bye:
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Which side would you like to see retreat?
 
elts1956 said:
I understand you won’t be able to speak for all Protestant denominations, but how would “you” retreat?
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First, I would like to point out that I am about as Protestant as an elderly German man who is living in Italy and changed his name in 2005 to from Joseph to Benedict XVI.

The priest at Notre Dame should simply submit himself to his order, is superior and his bishop and tell President Obama that a mistake was made and that he should not appear.
 
rpp said:
For me, it would e the Protestant side.
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rpp said:
First, I would like to point out that I am about as Protestant as an elderly German man who is living in Italy and changed his name in 2005 to from Joseph to Benedict XVI. Oops!!

The priest at Notre Dame should simply submit himself to his order, is superior and his bishop and tell President Obama that a mistake was made and that he should not appear.
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My Mistake!!:eek: Really sorry. But did I read somewhere that the superior of Jenkins order agrees with him, or did I dream that up?

Depending on whether I really did see that statement, I think your idea is exceptional. 👍
 
elts1956 said:
My Mistake!!:eek: Really sorry. But did I read somewhere that the superior of Jenkins order agrees with him, or did I dream that up?

Depending on whether I really did see that statement, I think your idea is exceptional. 👍
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No problem. 🙂

I am not sure which of us is correct. I thought his superior admonished him. I am too tired to do an internet search. Perhaps someone could help out.

Either way, when so many US bishops have said that the invitation is a bad idea, you would think that, in humility, the priest would accede to greater authority.
 
I was listening to Catholic Radio discuss this and this lady brought up an interesting point. ND has always invited every president to receive an honorary degree. If they were to only invite those that strictly adhered to catholic doctrine I don’t know if they could invite any or would end up inviting only a majority of Republicans, and for a university which is open to discussions and debate and free thought etc… that might be a bad PR move.

So I think in this situation you just have this awkward moment where a democrat president actually accepted… And now no-one really knows what to do about it anymore. You can’t exactly retract the invitation without seeming possibly bigoted and racist. And Obama can’t really say no because he might seem up himself and to good for other Catholics not of this view.

Perhaps there will be a delicate way to handle this. Perhaps not. But it’s to late now Obama has already accepted and just really bear through the awkwardness. It’s like kissing your cousin when your 12 and you meet 6 years later… awkward…
 
Abbadon said:
I was listening to Catholic Radio discuss this and this lady brought up an interesting point. ND has always invited every president to receive an honorary degree. If they were to only invite those that strictly adhered to catholic doctrine I don’t know if they could invite any or would end up inviting only a majority of Republicans, and for a university which is open to discussions and debate and free thought etc… that might be a bad PR move.

So I think in this situation you just have this awkward moment where a democrat president actually accepted… And now no-one really knows what to do about it anymore. You can’t exactly retract the invitation without seeming possibly bigoted and racist. And Obama can’t really say no because he might seem up himself and to good for other Catholics not of this view.

Perhaps there will be a delicate way to handle this. Perhaps not. But it’s to late now Obama has already accepted and just really bear through the awkwardness. It’s like kissing your cousin when your 12 and you meet 6 years later… awkward…
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Given the era, the mentality of most people in society in regard to absolutes, Instrinsic Evils etc. it is more than awkward, it reveals the fall of one of the once upon a time bastions of the Catholic Faith.

I am sorry to see this happening. In a better more Christian and moral universe this wouldn’t be an issue; he wouldn’t have been asked, nor would he be President. But the more institutions such as NDU reveal their true leanings and beliefs, the better faithful Catholics will be able to protest the morality of such, unless bo continues to take away the rights of US Citizens such as the right to free speech.
 
elts1956 said:
Given the era, the mentality of most people in society in regard to absolutes, Instrinsic Evils etc. it is more than awkward, it reveals the fall of one of the once upon a time bastions of the Catholic Faith.

I am sorry to see this happening. In a better more Christian and moral universe this wouldn’t be an issue; he wouldn’t have been asked, nor would he be President. But the more institutions such as NDU reveal their true leanings and beliefs, the better faithful Catholics will be able to protest the morality of such, unless bo continues to take away the rights of US Citizens such as the right to free speech.
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Isn’t there a biblical quote which says god allows or chooses who would come into power. It’s not give unto Cesar what is Cesar, its another one…
 
Abbadon said:
Isn’t there a biblical quote which says god allows or chooses who would come into power. It’s not give unto Cesar what is Cesar, its another one…
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I’m sorry, I don’t know that one. Maybe someone else on the thread can help you out. 🙂
 
Abbadon said:
Isn’t there a biblical quote which says god allows or chooses who would come into power. It’s not give unto Cesar what is Cesar, its another one…
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AdriannaJean said:
Well I just hope that the Vatican takes a firm stance on this before it is too late. Surely if an official Vatican statement were made, the Notre Dame speech would be cancelled. Or at least I hope…:confused:
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The problem is, I think, that NDU is no longer “owned” by the Christian Brothers?, but is run by a secular group of lay people, chairmen. Therefore the Church has no power over what NDU does, but she could certainly give Jenkins and his supporting clergy a stiff, quick kick.
 
Abbadon said:
Cant the church excommunicate Jenkins as a preist?
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I don’t know the details of what would incur his official excommunication. I believe by his actions, he has already excommunicated himself. I am afraid if “I” had the power, heads would roll.

I am guessing that’s why God pointed me in the direction of teaching little ones, 3-6. I could intimidate them with no general backlash. 😉
 
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