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rcwitness
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What is the relationship of Vatican City and Rome?
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HelenRose
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My knee jerk response (subject to correction) is: Vatican City is a geographical place and Rome is an ideal that Vatican City strives for.
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TheDoctor
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Vatican City is an independent state (i.e. country) physically located within the boundaries of the city of Rome. VC has its own laws, police, government, etc. however the borders are “open”, i.e. you don’t need a visa from VC to enter.
That is off the top of my head. More knowledgeable people will be along shortly to correct or add more info.
That is off the top of my head. More knowledgeable people will be along shortly to correct or add more info.
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rcwitness
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When did this happen? So is Pope the Bishop of Vatican City rather than of Rome?
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Jack007
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please read about the lateran treaty.
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Tarpeian_Rock
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The Pope is most certainly the Bishop of Rome. The Pope’s cathedral - his “seat” as Bishop of Rome - is the cathedral of St. John Lateran, which is located in the city of Rome, not in the Vatican. As indicated by another poster, look up information on the Lateran Treaty, which established Vatican City as we know it today. That the Pope resides in an independent country physically within the city of Rome in no way changes his status as Bishop of Rome.
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PaulfromIowa
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malphono
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Yes, Jack007 is right. Here’s a link to the official Vatican City website with some further information.
There is no diocese of Vatican City. The Pope was, is, and will remain Bishop of Rome. It’s his principal title. Without it there are no other titles.
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Jack007
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TheDoctor
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1929
britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/331566/Lateran-Treaty
There is no Bishop of Vatican City. The Pope is both head of Vatican City (by the way, in this role he enjoys the same diplomatic rights as any other head of a sovereign nation) and Bishop of Rome.
If you read the article I linked and the one from PaulfromIowa, you should have a clearer understanding I think.
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Jack007
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rome is not an ideal, but the archdiocese of which the holy father is the archbishop, and also a city that was not “built in a day.”
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phil19034
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The Pope is the Bishop of Rome. The Cathedral for the See of Rome is not in Vatican City, it’s in Rome.
The Cathedral’s name is (in English): Papal Archbasilica of the Most Holy Saviour, St. John Baptist and St. John Evangelist (also know as the San Giovanni Lateran Basilica or St. John Lateran Basilica).
Vatican City became it’s own nation inside Rome when the Papal States (which Rome was part of) became part of the unified Italy.
St. Peter’s Basilica, which is in Vatican City, is the Seat of the Universal Catholic Church not the Diocese of Rome.
Vatican City is a country, located entirely within Italy, specifically, it is surrounded by the city of Rome.
Relationshipwise, there isn’t any specific diplomatic relationship between Vatican City and Rome. Because Vatican City is a country, its relations are with Italy, and that is governed primarily by the Lateran Treaty of 1929. Important things like national defence of Vatican City are the responsibility of Italy, for instance.
Ecclesiastically, the Pope is the Bishop of the Diocese of Rome. His Cathedral is St. John Lateran, and that church is inside of Rome, not Vatican City. Vatican City is part of the diocese of Rome, specifically, the Vicariate of Vatican City. It’s so small, in fact, that Vatican City has only one parish church.
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johnnykins
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Actually St John Lateran and certain other properties are part of the Vatican City state - extraterritorial with respect to Italy. As you note, the Diocese of Rome includes what we think of as the Vatican - so the Cathedral and residence of the Pope are certainly within the boundaries of the Diocese.
From the Lateran Treaty:
Article 13
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Italy recognizes the full ownership of the Holy See over the patriarchal Basilicas of St. John Lateran, Sta. Maria Maggiore, and St. Paul, with their annexed buildings.
The State transfers to the Holy See the free management and administration of the said Basilica of St. Paul and its dependent Monastery, also paying over to the Holy See all monies representing the sums set aside annually for that church in the budget of the Ministry of Education.
It is also understood that the Holy See shall remain the absolute owner of the edifice of S. Callisto, adjoining Sta. Maria in Trastevere.
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Italy recognizes the full ownership by the Holy See of the Papal Palace of Castel Gandolfo, together with all endowments, appurtenances, and dependencies thereof, which are now already in the possession of the Holy See, and Italy also undertakes to hand over, within six months after the coming into force of the present Treaty, the Villa Barberini in Castel Gandolfo, together with all endowments, appurtenances, and dependencies thereof.
In order to round off the property situated on the northern side of the Janiculum Hill, belonging to the Sacred Congregation of Propaganda Fide and to other ecclesiastical institutions, which property faces the Vatican Palaces, the State undertakes to transfer to the Holy See or other bodies appointed by it for such purpose, all real estate belonging to the State or to third parties existing in that area. The properties belonging to the said Congregation and to other institutions and those to be transferred being marked on the annexed map.
Finally, Italy shall transfer to the Holy See, as its full and absolute property, the Convent buildings in Rome attached to the Basilica of the Twelve Holy Apostles and to the churches of San Andrea della Valle and S. Carlo ai Catinari, with all annexes and dependencies thereof, and shall hand them over within one year after the entry into force of the present Treaty, free of all occupants.Actually, the mother church of the Catholic church is indeed St. John Lateran, not St. Peter’s. This is why we celebrate the dedication of the Lateran as a Feast of the Lord (it can override a Sunday) on November 9th, while the dedication of St. Peter’s is a “mere” Memorial.
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Jack007
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from wikipedia.
Yes, we know that. I just meant to say that the Lateran is actually outside the boundaries of Vatican City but yes, I was aware that it is a property of the Holy See. The point was that the Lateran is the Cathedral of the Diocese of Rome and is actually physically seated within the territory of the City of Rome.
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Patti_M
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Off topic but I read somewhere that Vatican City only has one citizen, the Holy Father. Someone correct me if I’ve been misinformed.
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Jack007
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em, you are.Off topic but I read somewhere that Vatican City only has one citizen, the Holy Father. Someone correct me if I’ve been misinformed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City#Citizenship
No, there can be a few hundred Vatican citizens. They are not granted by birth through, but by office, i.e. one becomes a Vatican citizen by working in some official capacity in the state. It’s also co-terminus with that office; when the appointment ceases, so does the citizenship.Off topic but I read somewhere that Vatican City only has one citizen, the Holy Father. Someone correct me if I’ve been misinformed.
Any Vatican citizen who is not also a citizen of another country automatically becomes an Italian citizen once the Vatican citizenship ends.
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