If you want to get an even worse reaction, speak Canadian French (Quebec French or Prairie French). I’ve heard from friends that they’ll treat you like you’re uneducated savages (I believe one of my friends was just told to speak english, lest they “butcher” the pure and holy Parisian French language
).Sometimes people have really weird beliefs. Next we’ll start hearing that the Protestant Reformation itself was an anachronistically caused by VII.
I have to step in and defend France here.If you want to get an even worse reaction, speak Canadian French (Quebec French or Prairie French). I’ve heard from friends that they’ll treat you like you’re uneducated savages (I believe one of my friends was just told to speak english, lest they “butcher” the pure and holy Parisian French language
No, the problem is when you try and speak Canadian French in France. They consider it insulting (despite the fact that it’s the same language, just a different dialect. It’s like if Australians got mad if you spoke American English). The Académie française probably has a seizure every time someone tries it.
I’ve read his sermons. I have also seen his statements of late where he admits that they have a much better understanding of the Council and he has stopped using the term “Conciliar Church”.
The prelature is not a prize. Ask any superior general and he’ll tell you that he does not want any part of a prelature. You are micromanaged by the Holy See.
The SSPX is a gift to the Church like any other institute. This is what we must all see. There are two dominant tendencies out there and both are wrong. One is to view the SSPX as a bad thing that should be made to go away. The other is to view the SSPX out of context and give it more credit than we give to any other institute in the Church.
That’s the Rad Trad script. I won’t dignify it with a response. It’s beneath me.
We don’t know that. We will never know. We just can’t know what the alternatives would be if X had not happened. We can speculate . . . I guess.
Bold is mine.
Off topic, I suppose … I once worked with a nice delicate young lady who was an immigrant from France. Oddly, she had a Slavic surname and I had thought perhaps she had married someone of that sort.If you want to get an even worse reaction, speak Canadian French (Quebec French or Prairie French). I’ve heard from friends that they’ll treat you like you’re uneducated savages (I believe one of my friends was just told to speak english, lest they “butcher” the pure and holy Parisian French language
When one looks at historical realities, one could say that it’s more than simply a dialect. I suppose there are those who would say that Occitan is a “dialect” too.
In any case, I know many Québecois and they invariably speak Français when in France.The Ozzies generally don’t “get mad” at American English. They just laugh. Same as the Brits. Same as the Americans do to them. And the same, actually, as the French. So, too, the Québecois when someone speaks Français there.
My wife is Quebecois. We had our honeymoon in Paris with a short side trip in country. The Parisians often preferred to try and talk to me in English than to listen to my wife’s (rural) Quebecois twang.
There have been protestant churches in Rome for more than a hundred years, and there was a Jewish community there before we were there. They’re still there.
My friend . . . I can see that you’ve never had dealings with the Vatican. Numbers, age, degree of consecration, and services rendered to the Church matter very much to the Holy See.
Correct. The Vatican and Italy are two different countries. It just happens that Vatican City, the country, is located inside the City of Rome. There’s a long and contentious history there. The city of Rome is a secular city, just like any other city except for the fact that Vatican City is in it over on one side, and there are ruins all over because Rome has been there a long time and ran the known world before the Christian era.
Yep, and that doesn’t surprise me at all. Parisians treats Quebec like that half-brother that you like to pretend doesn’t exists and ignores at get togethers.She had the most derogatory things to say about that, including “they are not real French”.
That matches with what I’ve heard. Parisians are a little stuck up that way I guess.My wife is Quebecois. We had our honeymoon in Paris with a short side trip in country. The Parisians often preferred to try and talk to me in English than to listen to my wife’s (rural) Quebecois twang.
When we went through a B&B ‘tour’ of the Loire Valley, they were FAR more accomodating and didn’t seem to have an issue with my wife’s French.
Some people really like France, which is fine, but I don’t like it very much. I personally think the people there are pretty rude. You have to be very, very careful of eye contact there. It’s a freaky thing, a cultural difference. There are big insane language issues and they don’t like foreigners much. I think they’re trying to prevent cultural and linguistic inroads but they’re not very successful at it. [Rather like Quebec, which also does the same sort of thing for the same reason. Labeling laws on the signs, menus and so on.] And they price gouge like the dickens.
Brother,My friend . . . I can see that you’ve never had dealings with the Vatican. Numbers, age, degree of consecration, and services rendered to the Church matter very much to the Holy See.
The Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans and Salesians have the controlling number of votes in the Sacred Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life.
They have seniority by virtue of their age.
The Franciscans, Dominicans and Jesuits have seniority by virtue of their degree of consecration. They’re orders in solemn vows.
Opus Dei is the pope’s personal apostolate
All of these orders have made many more contributions to the Church than the SSPX.
All of this put together carries a great deal of weight as evidenced by several facts.
The Vatican takes all of this into consideration.
- All of the confessors and preachers at the Vatican must be Franciscans, including in the papal household.
- All of the theologians of the papal household must be Dominicans and Jesuits.
- All of the sacred places must be run and controlled by Franciscans.
- The Jesuits are exempt from most laws governing religious life and priesthood.
- An Opus Dei, Dominican and Jesuit put together the Preamble for this dialogue. They made up the committee that worked with Cardinal Levada.
- The Secretary for the Defense of the Faith is a Jesuit. Jesuits have held this position off and on more than anyone else.
- Most regular bishops are pulled from among Salesians, Franciscans and Dominicans, because they have earned the trust of the Vatican.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, FFV
What’s funny is that I have a friend who lived in France and she has impeccable Parisian French. She has a grad degree in French language education. Anyway, we visited Quebec City together a number of years ago, and they were very complimentary there on her elegant Parisian French, so apparently this is all very one-sided.Off topic, I suppose … I once worked with a nice delicate young lady who was an immigrant from France. Oddly, she had a Slavic surname and I had thought perhaps she had married someone of that sort.
No, it was her maiden name, her family had been Czech and apparently her parents fled to France during or after WWII. I think she was from Paris.
She had a beautiful accent. I asked her why would would she wanted to live in Chicago, she could live in Quebec instead and speak French! (I myself had long appreciated Canada.)
She had the most derogatory things to say about that, including “they are not real French”.
BTW, the French in Quebec have their language laws and all that, but they don’t have that eye contact cultural thing that you sometimes see in Paris. Cultures vary and the French one I just don’t care for.If I may interject: undoubtedly. However, his post was in response to posts made by another which, with all due respect, appear to hold the SSPX on a higher level than the successor of Peter (in an unbroken line
).English speakers, in general, tend to enjoy varieties of English. It’s a sign of linguistic success.When one looks at historical realities, one could say that it’s more than simply a dialect. I suppose there are those who would say that Occitan is a “dialect” too.
The Ozzies generally don’t “get mad” at American English. They just laugh. Same as the Brits. Same as the Americans do to them. And the same, actually, as the French. So, too, the Québecois when someone speaks Français there.
[Maybe I am as bad as the French? ROFLOL]
. I’m very sure I wasn’t the only one in on that one. Very pretty dialect.I totally agree with you. I was trying to help TL, because she said, “Numbers don’t count”. I was trying to clarify what it is that the Vatican looks at when there is judgment to be made between two institutes.
Brother JR, would you please comment on this statement made by Bishop Fellay: “Rome no longer makes total acceptance of Vatican II a prerequisite for the canonical solution” of the fraternity’s return." tinyurl.com/ctq28wy If you have already discussed this, I apologize.
Of course, there’s no such thing as a “Conciliar Church.” There is a Catholic Church.