Vatican Confirms SSPX Is Being Offered Personal Prelature

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So, how 'bout that personal prelature, huh? Think they’re gonna go all the way this year?

-Tim-
 
The_Curt_Jester said:
And we get annoyed when we give said clarifications and then get smacked with an infraction. Are you sure TrueLight is baiting? You might be baiting…
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I posted a link to an article written by an FSSP priest (so in good standing) explaining why the EF mass is objectively better.

That post was removed by the moderator without comment.

That’s the moderator’s privilege and this is not my website, so I’m not taking issue with the moderator’s action, just pointing out that it is not possible to freely debate the topic around here. If a traditional Catholic attempts to substantiate his position, posts are deleted and infractions may be issued.
 
In the Diocese of Enugu, Nigeria,the office of the Bishop banned faithfuls from attending Traditional Latin mass held by SSPX. Infact ,faithfuls have been compelled to go for confession for daring to attend traditional Catholic mass in Enugu Diocese. I pray that the church fully reconciles with SSPX and other traditional legitimate groups to restore the true liturgy,because Catholicism as practiced in Nigeria,though growing like weeds is,Pentecostalism,where praise worship,pelvic dances and heathen acculturation are mixed with distorted 3hrs mass,that can better be described as a fund raising occasions.

Vocation in Nigeria cannot be taken for granted since,Bigard Memorial Seminary,Enugu,is regarded as the biggest seminary in the world. But the question is, with the vocation boom , what manner of Priest is Nigeria chunning out?
 
NwaJesu said:
In the Diocese of Enugu, Nigeria,the office of the Bishop banned faithfuls from attending Traditional Latin mass held by SSPX. Infact ,faithfuls have been compelled to go for confession for daring to attend traditional Catholic mass in Enugu Diocese. I pray that the church fully reconciles with SSPX and other traditional legitimate groups to restore the true liturgy,because Catholicism as practiced in Nigeria,though growing like weeds is,Pentecostalism,where praise worship,pelvic dances and heathen acculturation are mixed with distorted 3hrs mass,that can better be described as a fund raising occasions.

Vocation in Nigeria cannot be taken for granted since,Bigard Memorial Seminary,Enugu,is regarded as the biggest seminary in the world. But the question is, with the vocation boom , what manner of Priest is Nigeria chunning out?
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We are getting a few young men from Nigeria in the seminary here in Texas. We had one ordained in our diocese just a week ago. They sound like quite orthodox and caring people. We also have some sisters from Nigeria that stay in our diocese and they mean business when it comes to orthodoxy.
 
JReducation said:
I’m not sure what he means either.
  • If he means that we can ask questions, this is true.
  • If he means that the documents don’t carry authority, this is false.
  • If he means that they don’t all carry the same weight of authority, this is true.
  • If he means that they don’t all affect the same group of people, this is also true.
  • If he means that they contain dogma that has already been defined, but they do not define dogma; therefore, their commentary on dogma can be debated, this is also true.
That’s all that I can see.

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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Boy are you gonna make a lot of people made with this one on both sides of the aisle.
 
iloveangels said:
Tilt.
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I am so excited about the possibility of the SSPX being back in full communion and I am developing a real liking toward Bishop Fellay; however, I am greatly discouraged by reading things like the latest homily of Bishop Tissier and hearing comments from some of the priests and seminarians of the SSPX. I suspect that the SSPX is facing, even if for completely reasons, similar problems to the Legionaries of Christ and they will need to undergo very limited but big cultural changes that will be extremely hard to accept. I say hard to accept not for the Society but for each individual that is a member of the Society, organizations can change very fast with their rules; however, the hidden culture is controlled by the people and usually people do not like change.
 
Mike30 said:
Boy are you gonna make a lot of people made with this one on both sides of the aisle.
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Sure it might make some people mad, but if you believe the Church is what she says she is, nothing Brother said is controversial.

Pax
 
The decision making machinery is the priests council, deanery, Bishops Conference, and Conference of Major Superiors (male only). The prelature has neither a voice nor a vote in any of these . . . as the paradigm exists now.
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Greetings Brother, can you elaborate on what you mean by the “Bishops Conference” being part of the decision making machinery.

Obviously, the USCCB has a good deal of “sway”, but my understanding is that strictly speaking, the only authority any decision of the conference has in a particular diocese, is the authority the bishop of that diocese decides to give it.

From Apostolos Suos by Bl. John Paul II:
  1. At the level of particular Churches grouped together by geographic areas (by countries, regions, etc.), the Bishops in charge do not exercise pastoral care jointly with collegial acts equal to those of the College of Bishops.
  2. In fact, only the faithful entrusted to the pastoral care of a particular Bishop are required to accept his judgement given in the name of Christ in matters of faith and morals, and to adhere to it with a religious assent of soul.
  3. Nonetheless, this territorially based exercise of the episcopal ministry never takes on the collegial nature proper to the actions of the order of Bishops as such, which alone holds the supreme power over the whole Church. In fact, the relationship between individual Bishops and the College of Bishops is quite different from their relationship to the bodies set up for the above-mentioned joint exercise of certain pastoral tasks.
  4. This provision is found explicitly in the Code of Canon Law where we read: “A diocesan Bishop in the diocese committed to him possesses all the ordinary, proper and immediate power which is required for the exercise of his pastoral office except for those cases which the law or a decree of the Supreme Pontiff reserves to the supreme authority of the Church or to some other ecclesiastical authority”
  5. In other cases “the competence of individual diocesan Bishops remains intact; and neither the Conference nor its president may act in the name of all the Bishops unless each and every Bishop has given his consent”.
So while it is certainly good for Bishops to discuss things and try to find ways to work together on fulfilling the mission of the Church, the “Bishop’s Conference” has no authority to impose a decision on a particular member bishop or that bishop’s flock.

Is that correct?
 
Dan_Daly said:
Sure it might make some people mad, but if you believe the Church is what she says she is, nothing Brother said is controversial.

Pax
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Never said it was wrong or controversial. Just said its gonna make n a lot of people on both sides mad.

And it probably already has.👍
 
Mike30 said:
Never said it was wrong or controversial. Just said its gonna make n a lot of people on both sides mad.

And it probably already has.👍
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What Br. JR said may be controversial, but he’s not wrong on those points. Not everyone wants to hear that though.
 
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