Vatican Easter Vigil Mass

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I was watching the Easter Vigil in EWTN tonight and I noticed something curious. The Pope, as he gave out communion, was offering the body and blood via intinction. He was dipping the host in the wine before giving it to the people on the tongue. (And they were not using a paten either) I thought that intinction was not allowed?
 
thomasf said:
I was watching the Easter Vigil in EWTN tonight and I noticed something curious. The Pope, as he gave out communion, was offering the body and blood via intinction. He was dipping the host in the wine before giving it to the people on the tongue. (And they were not using a paten either) I thought that intinction was not allowed?
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SELF Intinction is prohibited. A Priest or Deacon may offer the Host intincted to the recipient. The Recipient is NOT permitted to intinct the Host themselves.

Cardinal Arinze said that this option was available ‘always and everywhere’.

A paten should be used, however. It would be interesting to see the closeup.
 
Okay, that makes sense.

The pope dipped the host over the chalice and then went right to the receiver’s mouth. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t a paten there.

I hate to even bring this up, it just struck me as odd.
 
thomasf said:
Okay, that makes sense.

The pope dipped the host over the chalice and then went right to the receiver’s mouth. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t a paten there.

I hate to even bring this up, it just struck me as odd.
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One thing I have also see is the priest holding the ciborium underneath the recpients mouth. Could that have been done?
 
thomasf said:
I was watching the Easter Vigil in EWTN tonight and I noticed something curious. The Pope, as he gave out communion, was offering the body and blood via intinction. He was dipping the host in the wine before giving it to the people on the tongue. (And they were not using a paten either) I thought that intinction was not allowed?
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What a pleasant surprise to watch the Holy Father distribute communion by intinction, which is how it is distributed in the Maronite Catholic Church. This method is most reverent (as you saw) and precludes anyone from receiving the Body of Christ in the hand or drinking the Precious Blood from the cup. It is also quite expedient.

In the Maronite Church, only the bishop, priest or deacon may distribute communion. There are no EMHCs with painted finger nails and/or hands still smelling from perfume or cologne.

The Holy Father, I believe, used the visual media coverage last night to demonstrate the intinction method of communion. Perhaps other bishops and priests will follow the lead.

A Blessed Easter!
 
NYer said:
What a pleasant surprise to watch the Holy Father distribute communion by intinction, which is how it is distributed in the Maronite Catholic Church. This method is most reverent (as you saw) and precludes anyone from receiving the Body of Christ in the hand or drinking the Precious Blood from the cup. It is also quite expedient.

In the Maronite Church, only the bishop, priest or deacon may distribute communion. There are no EMHCs with painted finger nails and/or hands still smelling from perfume or cologne.

The Holy Father, I believe, used the visual media coverage last night to demonstrate the intinction method of communion. Perhaps other bishops and priests will follow the lead.

A Blessed Easter!
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Papal Masses should be required viewing for all cardinals, bishops and priests. Pope Benedict is leading by example. 👍
 
To be honest, it was very appealing to me and I thought it was a great way of receiving communion. I would welcome this method in my parish. I have seen him give communion before, and it was not via intinction. Which is why i thought it unusual.

I noticed that one particular woman before receiving took the Pope’s hands and kissed them. I thought that was very cool and special as well.
 
thomasf said:
Okay, that makes sense.

The pope dipped the host over the chalice and then went right to the receiver’s mouth. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t a paten there.

I hate to even bring this up, it just struck me as odd.
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There wasn’t a paten, but there was another minister, probably a deacon, ministering the chalice of the Precious Blood and he was holding a purificator. Whenever there was a genuine danger of the Precious Blood dripping off the consecrated host, he held out his purificator under the intincted host.
 
benedictgal said:
Papal Masses should be required viewing for all cardinals, bishops and priests. Pope Benedict is leading by example. 👍
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Indeed, but perhaps only on mute. The Sistine Choir is atrocious and their musical choices are mediocre at best.

I know of a number of American Churches (The National Shrine, St. Patricks, many Cathedrals) that have far superior choirs. I watched the Triduum Masses from the National Shrine and St. Peter’s (yay DVR!) this year and found the Masses from the Shrine far superior. If it weren’t for the fact that I want to see what the Holy Father does and, in particular, what vestments and sacramentals he uses, I wouldn’t even watch the Masses from St. Peters. I remember when John Paul II passed away and I first started watching papal Masses. I was horrified at the choir.

Rather sad.
 
We receive by intinction at our parish and I really do love this manner of receiving Jesus.

~Liza
 
Just another example of the Holy Father’s continued attempts to reconcile with the East.
 
thomasf said:
I was watching the Easter Vigil in EWTN tonight and I noticed something curious. The Pope, as he gave out communion, was offering the body and blood via intinction. He was dipping the host in the wine before giving it to the people on the tongue. (And they were not using a paten either) I thought that intinction was not allowed?
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Precious Blood.
 
Eucharistic Prayer II
In memory of his death and resurrection, we offer you, Father, this life-giving bread, this saving cup.
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If the second Eucharistic Prayer uses the term “bread” for the Body of Christ, we can probably use the term “wine” for the Precious Blood as well.
 
Well, I disagree with you. And since the Second Eucharistic Prayer sets the precedent …
 
MusicMan said:
Well, I disagree with you. And since the Second Eucharistic Prayer sets the precedent …
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Not so. The second EP does not “set a precedent.” You couldn’t be more wrong.

Referring to the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ as bread/wafers and wine is one of the most singularly pernicious things some Catholics do today. It does nothing but rot the faithful’s belief in the Real Presence.

Even more importantly it’s simply no longer bread/wine at the time of communion. That’s simply an incorrect statement.
 
One of the things that I really detest about CAF is when people begin to nitpick terminology like this. Especially when the terminology being nitpicked is being similarly used in official texts. It’s even more obnoxious when the behavior is being committed by a new member.

I’ve been here for quite awhile. I don’t need a lecture about belief in the Real Presence, nor does anyone else when they use an innocuous term, especially after using the “prerferred” term earlier in the post. To me, that suggests that the OP knows his terms and doesn’t require correction. Besides, the people who post on CAF probably aren’t the ones who need instruction in the Real Presence. Better that we fight that battle IRL, because that’s where it need be fought.
 
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Indeed, but perhaps only on mute. The Sistine Choir is atrocious and their musical choices are mediocre at best.

I know of a number of American Churches (The National Shrine, St. Patricks, many Cathedrals) that have far superior choirs. I watched the Triduum Masses from the National Shrine and St. Peter’s (yay DVR!) this year and found the Masses from the Shrine far superior. If it weren’t for the fact that I want to see what the Holy Father does and, in particular, what vestments and sacramentals he uses, I wouldn’t even watch the Masses from St. Peters. I remember when John Paul II passed away and I first started watching papal Masses. I was horrified at the choir.

Rather sad.
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I wouldn’t be so quick to downplay the Masses from the Vatican. While the Sistene Chapel wasn’t at its best for JPII’s funeral Mass, bear in mind that Archbishop Pietro Marini fired the previous director and replaced him with someone of a far lesser caliber. When he became Pope, Benedict got rid of both him and (after awhile, Marini) and got a better choir director and a better MC for the Papal Masses.

I much prefer watching Pope Benedict’s Masses than those from EWTN, the National Shrine and Notre Dame. You won’t get a better homily than one from the Pope, himself, and the Masses are celebrated as they should be. This is not to say that EWTN is bad; it’s just that there are some extras (hymns during Daily Mass) that I could very well do without. The homilies at their liturgies, I must admit, are good.
 
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Precious Blood.
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Just curious. Why only ‘precious blood?’ Are you not concerned with my use of the word ‘host’, just ‘wine?’

And if you reread that, I use the words body and blood in the previous sentence. I deliberately used host and wine to describe how the Pope was giving the eucharist by intinction.
 
FWIW, the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom refers to the bread cut out of the prosphora as The Lamb as soon as it’s put on the diskos (paten) and even after consecration.

I don’t have my 1962 MR handy, but I’m willing to bet that the Latin uses “hostia” consistently as well.
 
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