Vatican II and its changes

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Folks if our Pope says that its not allowed to do proselytism and that orhtodox sacraments are valid. keeping this in mind. Can I go and join orthodox due to the liberalism that the Rome church has?? It is troubling me a lot, i just think to go to Pius X society or become orthodox
 
No, you need to find a priest and talk to him about your concerns. Running away will not help.
 
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Leaving communion with Rome is NEVER the solution. There are licit havens within the Church where you can experience the fullness of the Faith without modernist or liberal taint. Look into the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter or the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest. These are societies of apostolic life fully in communion with the Holy Father which are ardently faithful to the teachings and traditions of the Catholic Faith.
 
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I’m really confused why so many people keep confusing proselytism with evangelisation, they are two different things. By the way, the Catholic church has always recognised Orthodox sacraments as valid this is not a new thing. With all due respect, with the recent proliferation of troll posts, I’m having a hard time telling if you’re serious. I don’t mean to offend you if you are sincere, but it’s hard for me to tell over the internet.
 
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Im honest bro i dont have a lot of knwoledge… thats all but scares me the liberalism that im seeing…
 
What “liberalism”?
If you don’t have a lot of knowledge, how do you know what you are dealing with is even liberalism, whatever that means.
 
Indeed, the words liberalism and conservative are used much differently than they were a few hundred years ago. So I don’t know either.
 
Well i said I have not a lot of knwoledge not that im a fool. Liberalism= modernism.
 
I help to lead a prayer and discussion group at a convalescent home. One of the patients asked me how has the Catholic Church changed since Vatican II. Here is my list, which is necessarily incomplete:
  1. Vernacular Mass
  2. No longer sinful to enter non-Catholic houses of worship
  3. Contemporary Jews no longer blamed for death of Jesus
  4. Lifting excommunication decree on Orthodox Church
  5. More cooperation with Protestants
  6. Other acts of penance acceptable in place of abstaining from meat on non-Lenten Fridays (though avoiding meat on Fridays is still OK)
  7. Pope often travels abroad
  8. Eastern Catholics encouraged to resume Eastern Christian traditions, devotions, etc. instead of adopting Western Christian traditions, devotions, etc.
  9. Women religious expected to return to the source of their community – this could entail wearing street clothes instead of a habit, since habits were often originally a prior century’s street clothes
  10. Wider variety of Scripture readings at Mass
  11. General opening up of the Church to the outside world
  12. Additional saints canonized
  13. Divine Mercy Sunday instituted
  14. Some holy days of obligation (e.g., Epiphany, Ascension) often transferred to the nearest Sunday
  15. Luminous Mysteries of the Rosary approved
  16. Divine Office/Liturgy of the Hours/Breviary available in vernacular languages
  17. Laypeople encouraged to pray Divine Office/Liturgy of the Hours/Breviary
What has not changed in the Catholic Church since Vatican II:

Doctrine

Anybody have any other suggestions?
 
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So sister, what is doctrine? If first was sinfull to enter in non catholic house of worshipe and now is not. How do you call at it ( rule or something) HELP ME PLEASE!
 
I never said that.
I am (was) trying to understand where you are coming from.
You keep trowing around big words- liberalism, modernism…
How about some concrete examples of what you are talking about, and then we can go from there.
 
Ok sister, what about popes getting blessed by pagan chiefs religions, what about sayint is not anymore sinfull to enter in a non catholic house of worships , what about to consider that muslim may be saved. What about changing the time of the fasting in order to have comunnion.

All of that things, sister im very confused by all of that …i need help from you brethern
 
Stay in the Church. I know it is hard, but we can’t flee the field of battle just because it looks like we’re losing right now. The victory will be all the sweeter because of all the betrayals.
 
Oh brother you make me think…ty but this pope in my opinion sounds like leftist man who want to change things to become more tolerant to society
 
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Miguel25 said:
Ok sister, what about popes getting blessed by pagan chiefs religions, what about sayint is not anymore sinfull to enter in a non catholic house of worships , what about to consider that muslim may be saved. What about changing the time of the fasting in order to have comunnion.

All of that things, sister im very confused by all of that …i need help from you brethern
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There’s nothing confusing about it at all. Satan wants to destroy the Church and he will use any means necessary including using bad priests and bishops. You know what the Church has always taught. That cannot be changed. So if you see a change, you know that it is not the Church and not of God.

Does that mean you have to turn in your library card and nail an essay to a door? No. It means you have to stand strong and pray harder and do more penance and support the priests and bishops who are fighting the good fight.

Stop whining! Buck up. We’ve been through a lot worse than this and we got a long road ahead of us. Put on your big boy pants and let’s get to work!
 
No problem, brother. We all need a kick in the pants every once in a while. Just remember Our Lord in the Garden. He told us to pray for courage.
 
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I’m really confused why so many people keep confusing proselytism with evangelisation, they are two different things.
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To be fair, the terms were used interchangably in the past. It is only relatively recently that a distinction has been made. I think the distinction is a helpful one and I use the terms that way (and most recent Church documents and papal utterances use the terms that way). But, historically speaking, proselytism did not always have a negative connotation the way it usually does today.
 
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