Vatican II and its changes

  • Thread starter Thread starter Miguel25
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
For Confession only, correct?

Particularly for the grave sin of Abortion, correct?
 
I think the Pope mentioned that in the same document since abortion is one of those sins which requires/required the bishop to grant such faculties of absolution to the priest, any priest.
 
You claimed they exercised no legitimate ministry in the Church and you provided links to documents that are years out of date. If you discuss the SSPX you should take the time to learn the current facts. They can absolve sins, marry people and ordain priests thanks to Pope Francis. All of this is legitimate ministry.
 
pianistclare said:
Well how about this from 2016 then?
Click to expand...
What point are you trying to prove? Your latest article is about the canonical status of the SSPX; it says nothing about their faculties and does not further your argument. You’re conflating to separate issues. Bottom line: SSPX can absolve sins, marry people and ordain priests. Lay Catholics are permitted to attend their chapels and make modest donations.
 
Let us all keep this words in mind…
“and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.”
Jesus Christ established one church and promised that it would work under the guidance of the Holy Spirit…let us take comfort in that fact and not let the way we “feel” about any one particular pope or another cause us to abandon the truth.
 
What’ is the point — that the SSPX has been thumbing its nose at every Pope – since the time the SSPX came into existance.
 
Walking_Home said:
What’ is the point — that the SSPX has been thumbing its nose at every Pope – since the time the SSPX came into existance.
Click to expand...
Your post doesn’t make me resent the the SSPX; it makes me appreciate the mercy and patience of our Popes. Furthermore, Pope Francis has demonstrated his paternal affection by granting the SSPX legitimate ministries within the Church.

Lastly, the Church appreciates that the SSPX has legitimate concerns about the way Vatican II has been interpreted and implemented. This is why the Rome-SSPX talks are doctrinal in nature.
 
Last edited:
It’s not about the mercy extended to the SSPX – but about the SSPX thumbing its nose at the past and current Pope. One may say — biting the hand that feeds it.
 
Last edited:
Walking_Home said:
It’s not about the mercy extended to the SSPX – but about the SSPX thumbing its nose at the past and current Pope. One may say — biting the hand that feeds it.
Click to expand...
Point taken. But since this thread isn’t about the politics of the SSPX I really have no more to say than this:

Pope Francis has given the SSPX faculties. This means any layman or woman can receive Sacraments at their chapels. To connect this discussion to the topic at hand, I’ll end by saying that visiting an SSPX chapel or any of the Ecclesia Dei communities will allow one to experience pre-Vatican II Roman Catholicism. If the FSSP or ICKSP is available, one ought to attend them rather than the SSPX.
 
Saxum said:
You’re conflating to separate issues. Bottom line: SSPX can absolve sins, marry people and ordain priests.
Click to expand...
Could you or someone point provide a link or reference to the Vatican granting SSPX permission to ordain priests?
 
commenter said:
Could you or someone point provide a link or reference to the Vatican granting SSPX permission to ordain priests?
Click to expand...
I would like to see this, too. I do recall reading that Pope Francis extended the permission for Confession past the Year of Mercy. And that may have even applied to marriage (but I don’t recall). But I have never seen anything anywhere at anytime where the Vatican has given the SSPX approval to ordain priests.
 
And I found this:
40.png
Can a person receive Communion at an SSPX chapel? Ask an Apologist
There is some degree of disagreement over whether or not Catholics should seek to fulfill their Sunday/holy day obligation at an SSPX chapel. Some in the hierarchy have said that attendance can fulfill the obligation, but have advised Catholics against attending. There is certainly no need for a Catholic to attend an SSPX liturgy so as to fulfill the obligation—even if there were no other Mass available (which is practically never the case), a Catholic would simply be dispensed from the obligati…
Click to expand...
 
Interesting. It appears to be a report about a private letter sent from the Pope to Bishop Fellay. Perhaps that is why o didn’t come across it. I had been searching the Vatican website for news.
 
What I find suspicious about this supposed letter – is that when Rome has granted something to the SSPX – it has done so out in the open. As when – Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications – Pope Francis in granting them the confessions. None were done – “behind the scenes”. It would seem – that something like authorizing the ordaining of priests – would have been announced by Rome.
 
Last edited:
Walking_Home said:
What I find suspicious about this supposed letter – is that when Rome has granted something to the SSPX – it has done so out in the open. As when – Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications – Pope Francis in granting them the confessions. None were done – “behind the scenes”. It would seem – that something like authorizing the ordaining of priests – would have been announced by Rome.
Click to expand...
Francis often makes his decisions known through private letters. A perfect example of this is the private letter about Amoris Laetitia sent to the Argentinian Bishops.
 
Saxum said:
40.png
Walking_Home:
What I find suspicious about this supposed letter – is that when Rome has granted something to the SSPX – it has done so out in the open. As when – Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications – Pope Francis in granting them the confessions. None were done – “behind the scenes”. It would seem – that something like authorizing the ordaining of priests – would have been announced by Rome.
Click to expand...
Francis often makes his decisions known through private letters. A perfect example of this is the private letter about Amoris Laetitia sent to the Argentinian Bishops.
Click to expand...
Archbishop Pozzo of the Ecclesia Dei commission confirmed that Bishop Fellay was authorized by Rome to be judge on a trial for an SSPX priest. There has been no such confirmation by anyone in Rome – that the SSPX has the authority to ordain priests. So that makes it even more suspect.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top