Vatican II Council:"all who have been justified by faith in Baptism ARE MEMBERS of Christ's body,

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Bartolome_Casas said:
Here’s the link to the full text on the Vatican web site:

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html

The quote in the title above is in Chapter 1, section 3.

This document is from 1964. It has never been set aside or degraded by the Church. It is the teaching of the Catholic Church. All the popes and bishops have endorsed it, taught it, and promoted it.
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Soooo are we trying to prove a point to someone with this, or are we discussing this, or what? I’m confused.
 
I am saying that not ONLY catholics are getting to heaven. Many people on here state that catholics are the only regliion that gets to heaven.
 
maplebug55 said:
I am saying that not ONLY catholics are getting to heaven. Many people on here state that catholics are the only regliion that gets to heaven.
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I guess there are some who say that, but I personally have encountered very few. Also, I’m a little confused. The OP posted, and since then you seem to be speaking in place of him/her. I agree with what you’re saying, I was just curious as to what the OP was trying to get at.
 
maplebug55 said:
I am saying that not ONLY catholics are getting to heaven. Many people on here state that catholics are the only regliion that gets to heaven.
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I think that you are wrong! Only Catholics get into heaven. Extra ecclesia nulla salus is a dogma.
 
Vatican II was as authentic as it gets. If you don’t accept that than you put yourself at odds with Christ’s Church.
 
Remember,

It will be God Himself who will save us…The Church does not take the place of God. She nurtures us and guides us.
 
Cristiano said:
I think that you are wrong! Only Catholics get into heaven. Extra ecclesia nulla salus is a dogma.
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From the Catechism:

*847 This affirmation [Extra ecclesia nulla salus] is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.*

Of course, what exactly “through no fault of their own” means will probably be interpreted differently by different people on this thread, but this obviously makes it less cut and dry than “Only Catholics get into heaven.” Yes, this notion was expressed in Lumen Gentium (so any number of arguments against Vatican II may come up now), but it did make it into the Catechism. And I certainly hope that nobody argues over the legitimacy of the Catechism, or we will have to discuss and define what makes one “Catholic.”

The Church is mankind’s best path to salvation, but to assume that God is limited by it downplays the power of God.
 
KathleenGee said:
Remember,

It will be God Himself who will save us…The Church does not take the place of God. She nurtures us and guides us.
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Well the Church is the Mystical Body of Christ, I think that we cannot downplay that. However, I think that what you are trying to state is correct and I also think that sometime people are very fast at dismissing the dogma of EENS. I think that there are also some people that are very fast at saying who is a Catholic; however, they can make the error of saying that someone is not in the bosom of the Church because they might not be able to identify everybody that is member of the whole Catholic Church.
 
Catholic4Christ said:
From the Catechism:

847 This affirmation [Extra ecclesia nulla salus] is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

Of course, what exactly “through no fault of their own” means will probably be interpreted differently by different people on this thread, but this obviously makes it less cut and dry than “Only Catholics get into heaven.” Yes, this notion was expressed in Lumen Gentium (so any number of arguments against Vatican II may come up now), but it did make it into the Catechism. And I certainly hope that nobody argues over the legitimacy of the Catechism, or we will have to discuss and define what makes one “Catholic.”

The Church is mankind’s best path to salvation, but to assume that God is limited by it downplays the power of God.
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I completely agree with you, but their salvation is because they are in communion with the Mystical Body of Christ even if we do not realize that.
 
Cristiano said:
I completely agree with you, but their salvation is because they are in communion with the Mystical Body of Christ even if we do not realize that.
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Yes, I’ll agree with this. No one is trying to argue that by merit of being a Protestant or other non-Catholic one can “achieve” salvation. But a recognized, Baptized, practicing, “good” Catholic is not the only person who goes to heaven. God is, well… God. He will have mercy on whoever he wants however He sees fit.
 
NickVA said:
Vatican II was as authentic as it gets. If you don’t accept that than you put yourself at odds with Christ’s Church.
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Does this mean that Vatican I, Trent, Lateran IV, etc., aren’t as “authentic as it gets?”
 
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