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I disagree with the bolded portion. The Mass, like the Sacrifice that it re-presents, is for everyone. Not all have the same opportunity or ability to participate, but the Mass is offered for all.
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CradleCath
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No, he sent him to Iran, which was pretty much the same as excommunication.
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CradleCath
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Please don’t assume that Reynold Hillenbrand’s views on the Liturgy were popular with either the laity or the clergy during the 40’s & 50’s. They were not. He was big on innovation & lay apostolates…so, yes, he was sadly prophetic. However, Ir was Bishop Fulton J. Sheen that Catholics read & watched & believed. He put our Catholic faith…the Catholic faith of the years you speak of… into words. If you have not yet read his book…
Calvary & the Mass, you’ll want to do so. It’s a small paperback book (almost like a large pamphlet) & will fit right inside your missal. Following is an excerpt:
"Hence the Mass is to us the crowning act of Christian worship. A
pulpit in which the words of our Lord are repeated does not unite
us to Him; a choir in which sweet sentiments are sung brings us no
closer to His Cross than to His garments. A temple without an
altar of sacrifice is non-existent among primitive peoples, and is
meaningless among Christians. And so in the Catholic Church the
altar, and not the pulpit or the choir or the organ, is the
center of worship, for there is re-enacted the memorial of His
Passion. Its value does not depend on him who says it, or on him
who hears it; it depends on Him who is the One High Priest and
Victim, Jesus Christ our Lord. With Him we are united, in spite of
our nothingness; in a certain sense, we lose our individuality for
the time being; we unite our intellect and our will, our heart and
our soul, our body and our blood, so intimately with Christ, that
the Heavenly Father sees not so much us with our imperfection, but
rather sees us in Him, the Beloved Son in whom He is well
pleased. The Mass is for that reason the greatest event in the
history of mankind; the only Holy Act which keeps the wrath of God
from a sinful world, because it holds the Cross between heaven and
earth, thus renewing that decisive moment when our sad and tragic
humanity journeyed suddenly forth to the fullness of supernatural
life.
**What is important at this point is that we take the proper mental
attitude toward the Mass, and remember this important fact, that
the Sacrifice of the Cross is not something which happened
nineteen hundred years ago. It is still happening". **
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I_Believe
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I agree.
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I_Believe
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Aw, but the Freemason issue is not a conspiracy theory. The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita is an document deemed authentic by H.H. Pius IX. H.H. Pope Leo XIII also took this very seriously and penned his encyclical Humanum Genus.Thanks.
Although the Freemasonry conspiracy theory (among others) is intriguing and I have found myself pondering it at times, I wonder if Jesus would be happy with us doing that? Not judgment (except possibly of myself), but truly wondering - on one hand St. Paul asks us that we need to judge our brethren (their actions, at least) and on the other hand we’re told in Scripture that we should leave the tares in with the wheat until harvesttime.
Some notable Freemasons boasted of VII as a victory. I won’t post their disgusting words here.
I’m not suggesting they have won or succeeded, but make no mistake, this matter is not a theory. It’s a fact. There is a reason the Oath Against Modernism was once required of priests, and a reason as well, of why it was discarded.
There was a time when there were issues and ideas that simply were not discussed by priests and Bishops. There were things a Catholic just didn’t do.
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As I have understood John XXIII his purpose was to update the way in that we can reach out to modern man who is alienated from God. The truths of the faith are the same and Vatican II changed nothing in it. Vatican II is an invitation to get out from “cultural Catholicism” and into the freedom of the children of God. We need to witness to the world and the purpose of Vatican II was for the Church to influence the world more, not the other way around.
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eelpis
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And mass celebrated with greater splendour gives greater glory to God. A solemn mass gives greater glory to God than a private mass. This according to the Doctor of the Church St Alphonsus.
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pnewton
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I am glad you brought him up. Bp. Sheen is an example that one can adapt to modern times and reach the modern man without compromise of the core message. While we may debate following the Second Vatican Council where that line may be drawn, we must acknowledge that eternal truths must be preserved and we have a duty to reach our current generation, since this is where God has placed us. I fewr some have neglected the first truth in the name of innovation and some neglect the second in the name of tradition. This reminds me of the two things no organization should ever say, “Let’s start from scratch” and “We’ve never done it this way before.”
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Interesting enough, practically everyone involved with Vatican II and the aftermath took the oath.
I confess, I don’t really understand the purpose of the oath in the first place. Everyone is already obligated to do what it contains anyway and the conspiring modernists don’t have the integrity to be bound by an oath in the first place.
I guess if we ask why the oath was rescinded, we can also ask why St. Pius X’s immediate predecessor, Benedict XV, got rid of the anti-Modernist “secret police.” It’s probably for similar reasons.
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mja2
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Read a book called “The Plot Against the Church” by Maurice Pinay, this book was written by Spanish Jesuits and distributed to all the members of the council. Basically it exposes the malignant history with Orthodox Jewry throughout history and the current situation before that council. After the “holocaust” history was brought out it was used to bludgeon the Pope into altering the long standing encyclicals and rules regarding interaction with Jews and the gentile dupes in Masonry. Ecumenical sheiss is the result and will eventual lead to syncretism under the New World Odor of one world government and one world religion. In order to sew confusion and lower the holy sacramental nature of Christ’s only Church they infiltrated the council and I believe the United States bishops offices to impose this post Vatican 2 mess. The reality is the Rothschilds and their brethern have actively conspired to shackle the entire world in a plantation and eradicate any threat to their supremacy. They murdered the Romanovs and hijacked Russia, started the world wars and are within 3 years of imposing their antichrist dominance over everyone. Drugs, Pornography, Violence, War, Usury, Divorce, Abortion, Fraud, just to name a few; the fruit of freedom for the Devil’s children. Nothing new but until the blind guides grow a backbone nothing will change. I believe “and the gates of hell shall not prevail”, I firmly trust in God, this is obviously punishment for mans crimes but Jesus told us to be “wise as serpents and simple as doves”. My name is snake eyes. I will die on my feet not on my knees.
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Thank you, Agent Snake-eyes, for imposing this dangerous plot. Rosthchilds, Romanovs, holocaust denial, and a promise to die on your feet not on your knees…this is a unique conspiracy theory, especially the part that involves the Jews “sewing confusion”. I’d sure like that quilt.
Seriously, that’s insane.
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mja2
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you don’t have a clue…
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pnewton
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Is this a joke or sarcasm? Surely you are not serious about this heap of fertilizer, are you?
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Wow. You are serious! Okey, dokey. Good luck with that.
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actually i have been doing a lot of research on the subject world war I, world war II, and the vatican II council. a lot of websites and books are pointing the finger at zionist freemasons. before you say “no way too far fetched”, look into the three main books of the jews: the kabbalah, the talmud, and the torah. the talmud is especially disgusting.
the rothschild are jewish believed to be part of the freemasons. they are bankers who funded world war I and world war II.
some believe the zionist freemasons infiltrated the vatican.
tldm.org/news3/impostor.htm
im not saying that this website is all true. you know more have to believe in the bayside apparitions, although sr. lucy is a good source, than you do medagorie. but i do think we need to start asking questions to ourselves why the vatican is watering down and straight up changing our catholic traditions, and disciplines and at an extreme rapid pace. in less than 1/2 a century our mass has become almost irrecognizable.
when you start this sort of research it opens so many bags of worms, i had to stop because it got a little too scary for my liking. besides nothing anyone can do about but pray.
the rothschild are jewish believed to be part of the freemasons. they are bankers who funded world war I and world war II.
some believe the zionist freemasons infiltrated the vatican.
tldm.org/news3/impostor.htm
im not saying that this website is all true. you know more have to believe in the bayside apparitions, although sr. lucy is a good source, than you do medagorie. but i do think we need to start asking questions to ourselves why the vatican is watering down and straight up changing our catholic traditions, and disciplines and at an extreme rapid pace. in less than 1/2 a century our mass has become almost irrecognizable.
when you start this sort of research it opens so many bags of worms, i had to stop because it got a little too scary for my liking. besides nothing anyone can do about but pray.
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Lujack
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The Torah is evil? The Torah is evil? I think you need to think into the Torah yourself, my friend. Look into “the kabbalah” because that isn’t a book, either.
As for the rest of it, it is absolutely laughable. I thought we’d moved past “evil Jewish bankers financing the world wars to take over the world”.
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Seamus_L
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Here’s an excellent article by Catholic author Joe Sobran on that topic sobran.com/jewid.shtml I had the pleasure of meeting Joe after he spoke at my parish’s hall in 1999.
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weepixie71
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im sorry maybe i have misprinted. the talmud has some things in there that are straight up disgusting. and i did much research into the kabbalah. it is a jewish form of witchcraft. i have a friend who is jewish and readily admits to this about the kabbalah.
as for the take over the world or one world government, whatever you want to call it. do you not HEAR the news? everything is global already!!! even our recession is global.
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