Vatican II heresy?

[tweedlealice]

I’m getting that every person in all Nations are all His creation & are children of God. This is God’s perspective. Hopefully, our perspective, also.

 

[DictatorCzar]

So in youtube there’s a guy that says there a problems in the Vatican II but it isn’t false. He says that in the Vatican Ii there’s salvation outside of the Catholic Church, he thinks that this shouldn’t happen and that the Vatican II is a bad council.

 

[esieffe]

From things I have heard on Catholic news sites etc, salvation is possible outside of the Catholic Church. The odds however may be different, most likely harder, as people outside the church do not have access to confession and communion.

THAT can be a double edged sword however. Once you know that something is a mortal sin, you become more culpable for sins. All in all though, I think your chance of getting into heaven is better in the CC. I am a convert. I knew flat out, if I did not confess my sins to a priest, I was toast. I had longed to be Catholic for years anyway.
PS: I have the Vatican II book [book 1, book 2 are the documents] It is on my backlog pile. I really need to get around to reading it, there is always so much talk and debate about it. If someone has read it, they ought to chime in.

 

[godisgood77]

Redesigning the liturgy of the Mass was not a “disciplinary” change, and neither were the now most (in)famous of the VC2 documents concerned with discipline.

A disciplinary change is precisely what the Liturgy changes were.

 

[Sophie111]

Sophie111:

Though it now seems to me the primary reason why RCC is not a different Church from the Marionite Church is simply because we share the same governing body full stop.

But your assumption is inccorrect.

Like many of the other Eastern Catholic Churches, the Maronites are self governing, while acknowledging certain authority of the Bishop of Rome.

The Maronites are at one extreme on this, while the Melkites are at the other, and both are in full Communion with Rome.

OK call me a liar for lack of precision then .
Allow me to rephrase:

it now seems to me the primary reason why RCC is not a different Church from the Marionite Church is simply because we similarly respect the authority of the same Leader…which defines “Catholic Communion”.

Sure, if there is not full Catholic Communion then it seems legitimate to say the other Church is not fully incorporated into the “Catholic Church.” Does that mean such a Church is not a Church at all?

I think not. According to above definitions it can still be a “catholic Church” and a “Church” it seems to me. Not being fully in the Catholic Communion does not seem to imply a break with Christ or “Churchness”.

It really just boils down to a semantics of “Church”. Who is to say the Catholic Church’s definition is “right” (whatever that means).