Vatican II Texts Were Misinterpreted, Says Pope

[WanderAimlessly]

Vatican II Texts Were Misinterpreted, Says Pope
Explains Roots of Crisis That Hit Church in Wake of Council

VATICAN CITY, DEC. 22, 2005 (Zenit.org).- The crisis that arose in the Church after the Second Vatican Council wasn’t due to the conciliar documents, but rather in their interpretation, says Benedict XVI.

The Pope made a long analysis of the legacy left by the 1962-1965 gathering of the world’s bishops, when he met today with his aides in the Roman Curia to express his Christmas greetings.

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[arieh0310]

Our new pope is totally cool…

 

[Della]

The first interpretation is the one the Pope called “hermeneutics of discontinuity and rupture” “between the pre-conciliar and post-conciliar Church.”

According to this view, what is important about the Council is not its texts but the spirit of renewal brought to the Church, the Holy Father said. This view, he observed, “has often been able to make use of the media’s liking, and also of a part of modern theology.”

This is his very polite way of saying that some bishops, priests and religious, as well as many lay people, under the battle cry of “the spirit of Vatican II” ran off on wild tangents of their own, trying to drag the rest of the Church along behind them. For a while they seemed to be on the forefront of a populist movement with the whole of Catholicism, especially in the Western world, hard on their heels. Recently, they have heard less and less footsteps behind them and have turned to see to their horror that fewer and fewer Catholics are eagerly running behind them.

Although many of their skewed views and ideas have, unfortunately, stuck like glue, there are less and less people willing to claim their aberrations as authentic Catholicism. It’s getting lonelier and lonelier out front for these lost souls, spreading farther apart and farther away from mainstream Catholicism. Eventually, they will be running all alone. Whereas the main body of the Church has already turned back to true hermeneutics, once again.

 

[arieh0310]

Della:

Whereas the main body of the Church has already turned back to true hermeneutics, once again.

Della,

Great post. I read a This Rock article once that stated that every Ecumenical Council is a failure…at first. When it looks like Catholicism is going to teeter and fall the Holy Spirit strengthens the Church and the Church re-discovers orthodoxy. Looks like the Church is on the upswing!

 

[Digitonomy]

arieh0310:

I read a This Rock article once that stated that every Ecumenical Council is a failure…at first.

This is a rather suspect statement. I’ll have to bone up on my council history, though, before I can give specific counterpoints to this contention - and unfortunately, I probably won’t be posting for a couple weeks.

 

[arieh0310]

Digitonomy:

This is a rather suspect statement. I’ll have to bone up on my council history, though, before I can give specific counterpoints to this contention - and unfortunately, I probably won’t be posting for a couple weeks.

Here is the article.

 

[Digitonomy]

Ah… the article suggests that five councils were initially failures, out of what - 22? - to the present day: Nicea I, Ephesus, Chalcedon, Trent, Vatican II.

 

[arieh0310]

Digitonomy:

Ah… the article suggests that five councils were initially failures, out of what - 22? - to the present day: Nicea I, Ephesus, Chalcedon, Trent, Vatican II.

Well, the article only talks about five. I was using hyperbole in my post, an Ecumenical is never a failure but can appear at first to almost fan the flames of heresy.

 

[Digitonomy]

As far as I can tell, the First Lateran Council seems to have been a success from the start.

Meanwhile, if we accept the article’s standards as to what constitutes the initial failure of five councils, there are other councils that seem to have been failures for a longer term - such as those dealing with retaking the Holy Land from the Muslims.

 

[arieh0310]

Digitonomy:

As far as I can tell, the First Lateran Council seems to have been a success from the start.

Meanwhile, if we accept the article’s standards as to what constitutes the initial failure of five councils, there are other councils that seem to have been failures for a longer term - such as those dealing with retaking the Holy Land from the Muslims.

The Crusades were initiated by an Ecumenical Council?

 

[Walt_Oliver]

Reminder: The topic of this thread is the statement by the Pope that Vatican II has been misinterpreted, not all the other councils. Please stay on topic. If you wish to discuss something else, open another thread.
Thanks for your cooperation.

Walt