Vatican Ii

[Phyllo]

If you cannot handle the refutation of your opinions, then perhaps you shouldn’t air them in public.

I can handle the refutation of my opinions and state why I have them but when I do I am either suspended or spoken to by the moderators. So It is better that I defend my opinions by PM.

 

[pnewton]

So I would hope that the others on CA that hold an opposite opinion to mine would best serve themselves to keep it to themselves

If the opposite opinion is that the current Mass is more reverent, more spiritual and more respectful, then you are correct.

Consider a Golden Rule application. If someone from the Catholic Charismatic Renewal were to post that that spirituality gave a greater access to spiritual gifts, do you not see how that would be inappropriate, yet basically the same thing? “Mass” does not revere God. We revere God. “Mass” is not a spiritual being. We are. More to the point, we are not all the same. The Catholic Church is broad and encompasses many diverse spiritual opportunities. Not all find the same spirituality, or the same type of Mass, equally capable of opening them up to the divine, even though it is the same Christ on the altar.

Vatican II diversified the opportunities for spiritual enrichment, mirroring the desire of St. Paul to be all things to all people.

 

[Phyllo]

What a fascinating synopsis of the birth of the Pauline Missal. I’m especially intrigued with the manner of "how it got pass through anyway."

Some bishops flat out opposed it, some passed it and some passed it with reservations whatever that means. But that is what I have heard.

 

[Phyllo]

Vatican II diversified the opportunities for spiritual enrichment, mirroring the desire of St. Paul to be all things to all people.

Sounds like ecumenism to me.

 

[Moonbug]

The protestants sitting in were observers and I highly doubt they had any power over anything happening at a Catholic conference. The evidence used for those claims is a picture of Pope Paul VI with a small group of protestant preachers, and from my understanding this picture wasn’t taken during Vatican II. The fact that the protestants wanted to be at a Catholic conference suggests they realized Catholicism is the true faith.

If I’m not mistaken, from what I’ve read about Vatican II, the Protestants who attended were invited and didn’t ask to attend. And they attended the general assemblies only and not the committee meetings where the real work was done.

 

[Phyllo]

If I’m not mistaken, from what I’ve read about Vatican II, the Protestants who attended were invited and didn’t ask to attend. And they attended the general assemblies only and not the committee meetings where the real work was done.

I wonder why Protestants were invited? I would think it highly unlikely that the Protestants didn’t have some influence on the Bishops committee that had charge of the revisions to the Mass. Why else would they have been invited? Why should they have been there anyway? I would think that what Catholics do at one of their councils would not hold any interests for the Protestants. Protestants=protesting the Catholic Faith. Why invite them

 

[Michael_Francis]

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[Thomas_Casey]

The thread will remain closed. For the future, please use only orthodoxo sources. Orthodox sources are writings by theologians approved by the Holy See to write Catholic theology. Being a theologian and being Catholic does not make one a Catholic theologian.