Vatican launch for cardinal's book defending German/Maltese bishops' reading of Amoris Laetitia [CWN]

[CWN_News]

The Vatican press has published a short book by Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio arguing that Amoris Laetitia allows for divorced and remarried Catholics to receive the Eucharist in some cases.

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[DignumEtJustum]

 

[Cathoholic]

Anyone know how I can get an English version of Cardinal Coccopalmerio’s 40 page book?

I’d be interested in reading it.

Thanks in advance.

God bless.

Cathoholic

 

[FollowChrist34]

I saw somewhere that this was more or less the response to the dubia by Francis (unofficial, but basically yes this is it). (delegated if you will)

Is this rumor wrong?

(the Vatican published it, right - that should tell us something)

 

[_Abyssinia]

I saw somewhere that this was more or less the response to the dubia by Francis (unofficial, but basically yes this is it). (delegated if you will)

Is this rumor wrong?

(the Vatican published it, right - that should tell us something)

From Edward Pentin:

Some reports had said Pope Francis had authorized the booklet and that it was a response to the dubia *— the 5 doubts four cardinals have sent the Pope to clarify whether these and other contentious passages in Amoris Laetitia are in line with Church teaching, Sacred Scripture and Tradition (the Pope has yet to respond to the questions).

But Cardinal Coccopalmerio’s booklet is “not a Vatican answer to the dubia,” Father Giuseppe Costa, director of Libreria Editrice Vaticana which published the booklet, told reporters. The cardinal, he said, “assumes responsibility” for the publication, adding that the LEV gave a “clear, authoritative voice” to his contribution, but it is “not an official response from the Vatican.”

m.ncregister.com/52419/b#.WKOuRDzfWaM

 

[FollowChrist34]

The Church is now in a full-blown civil war over doctrine
catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2017/02/15/the-church-is-now-in-a-full-blown-civil-war-over-doctrine/

Cardinal Coccopalmerio is a senior Vatican figure: his book has appeared with evident support from within the Vatican, and without official contradiction. And his opinion is close to that of many other prelates (such as the bishops of Malta and most of those in Germany). So the debate about Communion can no longer be seen – if it ever could – as a marginal squabble between “liberals” and “conservatives”. Nor can it be framed as a question of whether you prefer a bit more mercy or a bit more justice. It is now, quite plainly, a debate about whether the teaching of the Church is still valid. And that means the debate will run and run.

It is a very odd feeling to realize that I could quite possibly ‘be more Catholic’ than a lot of the hierarchy of the Church. Trust me, that is a problem.

 

[Justin_Swanton]

The heading of the Catholic Herald article is not an exaggeration. This is full-blown civil war.

 

[Milestone]

It is a very odd feeling to realize that I could quite possibly ‘be more Catholic’ than a lot of the hierarchy of the Church. Trust me, that is a problem.

I don’t think we should assume that kind of attitude, that we’re ‘more Catholic’ than members of the hierarchy. That can seem a little self-righteous. Rather, we should focus less on Church politics and work on our own spiritual developement and relationship with God. That doesn’t mean we should never speak out on Church politics, but we should have confidence that the Holy Spirit is guiding the Church, that in the end, only the truth will prevail.

 

[Pulvis]

Here is another take on Cardinal Coccopalmierio’s booklet:

thecatholicthing.org/2017/02/16/when-cardinals-clash/

" It was easily predictable that the Amoris Laetitia (particularly footnote 351), would lead to jarring assaults on the Church’s doctrinal unity – even by some of the Church’s own shepherds. Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, President of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, has just joined the ranks of prelates who say that Pope Francis has authorized giving Holy Communion to those in adulterous second “marriages.” Coccopalmerio even extends this permission to others living in sexual relationships apart from marriage in his newly published booklet, The Eighth Chapter of the Post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation Amoris Laetitia (which some think authoritative since it was issued by the Vatican’s own publishing house, the Libreria Editrice Vaticana)."

 

[FollowChrist34]

I don’t think we should assume that kind of attitude, that we’re ‘more Catholic’ than members of the hierarchy. That can seem a little self-righteous. Rather, we should focus less on Church politics and work on our own spiritual developement and relationship with God. That doesn’t mean we should never speak out on Church politics, but we should have confidence that the Holy Spirit is guiding the Church, that in the end, only the truth will prevail.

I am not doing it willingly, believe me. I can do no other.

 

[Tobias2]

Here is another take on Cardinal Coccopalmierio’s booklet:

thecatholicthing.org/2017/02/16/when-cardinals-clash/

" It was easily predictable that the Amoris Laetitia (particularly footnote 351), would lead to jarring assaults on the Church’s doctrinal unity – even by some of the Church’s own shepherds. Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, President of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, has just joined the ranks of prelates who say that Pope Francis has authorized giving Holy Communion to those in adulterous second “marriages.” Coccopalmerio even extends this permission to others living in sexual relationships apart from marriage in his newly published booklet, The Eighth Chapter of the Post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation Amoris Laetitia (which some think authoritative since it was issued by the Vatican’s own publishing house, the Libreria Editrice Vaticana)."

The qualifier that this “even” extends to other sexual relationships is a bit over-qualified. Of course the place of conscious relative to church teachings is not confined to marriage and re-marriage. The Church’s teachings on moral issues do not segregate out sexual related issues. The discernment regarding conscious contained in AL applies to other situations. That is logical, that is inevitable. Francis is being merciful in letting this role out over time, but already the Canadian bishops have determined that the “conscious” element of AL applies to euthanasia.

So already there is development out of AL to other areas of the Church’s moral teaching.

Francis is being led by the Spirit to, it would seem, a transformational church. A church which embraces all. Unifies all. God is one and desires the church to be one. To unify all Christians in one body and, beyond that, all of humanity into one body. The Spirit is a unifier and history may show that this papacy was a turning point, or great leap forward, in attaining that unity. .

 

[JimG]

The qualifier that this “even” extends to other sexual relationships is a bit over-qualified. Of course the place of conscious relative to church teachings is not confined to marriage and re-marriage. The Church’s teachings on moral issues do not segregate out sexual related issues. The discernment regarding conscious contained in AL applies to other situations. That is logical, that is inevitable. Francis is being merciful in letting this role out over time, but already the Canadian bishops have determined that the “conscious” element of AL applies to euthanasia.

So already there is development out of AL to other areas of the Church’s moral teaching.

Francis is being led by the Spirit to, it would seem, a transformational church. A church which embraces all. Unifies all. God is one and desires the church to be one. To unify all Christians in one body and, beyond that, all of humanity into one body. The Spirit is a unifier and history may show that this papacy was a turning point, or great leap forward, in attaining that unity. .

I have not kept up with events in the Church in Canada. But it surely cannot be that Catholic bishops are advocating for or accepting of the deliberate killing of the sick and elderly. That would not be a legitimate development, nor could it ever be.

 

[Tobias2]

I have not kept up with events in the Church in Canada. But it surely cannot be that Catholic bishops are advocating for or accepting of the deliberate killing of the sick and elderly. That would not be a legitimate development, nor could it ever be.

Read the Atlantic Bishops’ “Pastoral Reflection on Medical Assistance in Dying”.

The document speaks of the sacraments and the principle of rejecting suicide and then goes on to conclude

" As people of faith, and ministers off God’s grace, we are called to entrust everyone , whatever their decision may be, to the mercy of God. To one and all we wish to say that the pastoral care of souls cannot be reduced to norms for the receptions of the sacraments or the celebration of funeral rites".

 

[FollowChrist34]

The qualifier that this “even” extends to other sexual relationships is a bit over-qualified. Of course the place of conscious relative to church teachings is not confined to marriage and re-marriage. The Church’s teachings on moral issues do not segregate out sexual related issues. The discernment regarding conscious contained in AL applies to other situations. That is logical, that is inevitable. Francis is being merciful in letting this role out over time, but already the Canadian bishops have determined that the “conscious” element of AL applies to euthanasia.

So already there is development out of AL to other areas of the Church’s moral teaching.

Francis is being led by the Spirit to, it would seem, a transformational church. A church which embraces all. Unifies all. God is one and desires the church to be one. To unify all Christians in one body and, beyond that, all of humanity into one body. The Spirit is a unifier and history may show that this papacy was a turning point, or great leap forward, in attaining that unity. .

Unitarian Universalism[2][3][4] is a liberal religion characterized by a “free and responsible search for truth and meaning”.[5][6] The Unitarian Universalist (UU) Church does not have a creed. Instead, UUs are unified by their shared search for spiritual growth. As such, UU congregations include many agnostics, theists, and atheists among their membership. The roots of UU are in liberal Christianity, specifically Unitarianism and Universalism. Unitarian Universalists state that from these traditions come a deep regard for intellectual freedom and inclusive love. Congregations and members seek inspiration and derive insight from all major world religions.[7]

The Unitarian Universalist Association (UUA) was formed in 1961, a consolidation of the American Unitarian Association, established in 1825, and the Universalist Church of America,[10] established in 1793. It is headquartered in Boston, Massachusetts, and serves churches mostly in the United States. A group of thirty Philippine congregations is represented as a sole member within the UUA. The Canadian Unitarian Council (CUC) became an independent body in 2002.[11] The UUA and CUC are, in turn, two of the seventeen members of the International Council of Unitarians and Universalists.[12]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism

 

[Tablefor9]

Fallen-away Catholics aren’t a new phenomenon. Neither is the urge to appease all, compromising the truth under the guise of something else.

I’m so sorry, but a little less Kumbaya and a lot more confession is what we need. As well as an outpouring of the Spirit of the Lord to lead us to continuing conversion.

 

[Tablefor9]

Ha–Follow beat me to it

 

[abucs]

I would be much more comfortable if the church came out and said that we Catholics need to have a discussion on whether it is permissible or advantageous or calamitous or a grave offence to receive communion while in a state of serious sin.

I respect others who have the theological training to properly assess this question and I am open to whichever way the church decides.

What I am uncomfortable with is what seems to be a faction of the Church pushing through a change by hook and by crook which divides the church and silences opposition

I also don’t really like what seems to be the often used but totally discredited view that the people changing things are automatically modern and compassionate as opposed to those who disagree.

This last way of thinking I see as a complete retrogression of intelligence and I really don’t like the possibility that it has any standing in the church.

 

[edwayne]

The first reading last week was from the book of Sirach. The reading is as follows:

If you choose you can keep the commandments, they will save you;
if you trust in God, you too shall live;
he has set before you fire and water
to whichever you choose, stretch forth your hand.
Before man are life and death, good and evil,
whichever he chooses shall be given him.
Immense is the wisdom of the Lord;
he is mighty in power, and all-seeing.
The eyes of God are on those who fear him;
he understands man’s every deed.
No one does he command to act unjustly,
to none does he give license to sin.

Seems extremely difficult to reconcile this reading (as well as the rest of Catholic teaching) with the proposal of Cardinal Coccopalmerio.

 

[Justin_Swanton]

Has anyone noticed Cardinal Sarah’s take on all this?
Christ is certainly afflicted in seeing and hearing priests and bishops who should protect the integrity of the teaching of the Gospel and of doctrine multiplying words and writings that dilute the rigor of the Gospel by their deliberately ambiguous and confused affirmations. To these priests and these prelates who give the impression of taking up the exact opposite of the traditional teaching of the Church in matters of doctrine and morality, it is not out of place to recall the severe words of Christ: “Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” “He is guilty of an eternal sin”, Mark adds. - The Power of Silence, Against the Dictatorship of Noise