Vatican new release about SSPX

[ProVobis]

To be honest with you, I find your comment more than a little problematic. It would seem you think nothing is wrong with the SSPX, but everybody else is wrong, and the Pope has been weak. Is this what you are saying, or am I misreading you?

I don’t consider myself a traditionalist but I see a lot more injustice being dealt against the SSPX than against any other Catholic group. Yes, the Pope’s a very good and holy man but if you can’t see a lynch mob mentality here (as there probably was in 1988) then I suggest you do a little more reading. Why is the side throwing most of the stones given all of the satisfaction? Did you read the letter sent by US Congressmen sent to the Vatican blasting the Pope’s gesture in lifting the excommunications? Do you think this is going to bring the SSPX back in full communion and reinstate their priestly faculties? Looks like we’ll need two million more rosaries for that to happen.

 

[ProVobis]

But the decree says that they must acknowledge fully Vatican II.

What exactly does this mean? The Archbishop signed the Vatican II documents, did he not?

 

[ProVobis]

Well up to now it was Rome that seemed to be giving the SPPX way too much leeway. IMO the excommunications should not have been lifted until the society fully accepted Vatican 2.

Some might see the work of the Holy Spirit in this event. As in was it really good or rigth for Rome to allow the SPPX to reconcile w/o full submission to Vatican 2? If this derails the process then what is the Spirit saying?

I don’t think the Holy Spirit is responsible for the confusion and ambiguity of the Vatican II documents, do you? The Archbishop did sign those documents so that any reference to “fully accepting” Vatican II should signal a red flag that there are other forces at work.

But as long as the issue of accepting Vatican II has been raised, what about the bishops and others that have gone against the actual documents and have intepreted them to serve their own selfish motives?

 

[pnewton]

He’ll never reverse himself on the Holocaust. So, the Church won’t give him faculties to act as a Bishop. His Excellency will have to be content as rector at the SSPX’s Argentinean seminary.

This thought has occured to me as well. I have thought that there might be a strong enough contingent within the SSPX that resists reunion with Rome enough to break away completely from the Church, much as the SSPV did earlier. If so, the issue with Bishop Williamson might provide a rallying point.

Knowing human nature, it is highly propbable some would rather remain part of an elite group of objectors than just one more group within the Catholic Church. We should all pray that such people will be minimal and that most will follow the SSPX leadership rejoining complete and normal communion with the Catholic Church, even it they don’t agree on every point.

 

[bkovacs]

Finaly the Vatican has released their point of view about the lifting of the excommunications.

Demanding that SSPX submit fully to Vatican II and accept the authority of the Pope and his predecessors.

Also Williamson must recant publicly for his views about the holocaust.

nytimes.com/2009/02/05/world/europe/05pope.html?_r=2&hp

My guess is that this will close the door again or end up in the splitting of SSPX as the church will not give in even a inch about her standings.

212.77.1.245/news_services/bulletin/news/23319.php?index=23319&lang=e

And don’t think that the SSPX chapels or priests will have to start holding NO Masses with altar girls and EMHC’s, and guitar music. Because THEY WON’T!. And I don’t blame them!.

 

[bkovacs]

What exactly does this mean? The Archbishop signed the Vatican II documents, did he not?

Yes he did from what I have read.

 

[bkovacs]

I don’t consider myself a traditionalist but I see a lot more injustice being dealt against the SSPX than against any other Catholic group. Yes, the Pope’s a very good and holy man but if you can’t see a lynch mob mentality here (as there probably was in 1988) then I suggest you do a little more reading. Why is the side throwing most of the stones given all of the satisfaction? Did you read the letter sent by US Congressmen sent to the Vatican blasting the Pope’s gesture in lifting the excommunications? Do you think this is going to bring the SSPX back in full communion and reinstate their priestly faculties? Looks like we’ll need two million more rosaries for that to happen.

I completely agree with you!. Their time will come though!.

 

[bkovacs]

I don’t consider myself a traditionalist but I see a lot more injustice being dealt against the SSPX than against any other Catholic group. Yes, the Pope’s a very good and holy man but if you can’t see a lynch mob mentality here (as there probably was in 1988) then I suggest you do a little more reading. Why is the side throwing most of the stones given all of the satisfaction? Did you read the letter sent by US Congressmen sent to the Vatican blasting the Pope’s gesture in lifting the excommunications? Do you think this is going to bring the SSPX back in full communion and reinstate their priestly faculties? Looks like we’ll need two million more rosaries for that to happen.

Or traditional Catholics defecting to the Orthodox Church if the liberals start gaining ground. Which I doubt will happen. But then again the Orthodox don’t have that many liberals and they know Byzantine tradition very well and respect it.

 

[MrDickerson]

I would liken the level of scandal to Fr. Maciel of the Legion. He was silenced and invited to a life of silent penance. Putting a Holocaust denier in charge of seminarians doesn’t seem wise at all.

So now you’re placing “Holocaust denial” on the same level as molesting seminarians and fathering illegitimate children like Fr. Maciel did? (Interestingly “the Legion” members are some of the staunchest supporters of Vatican II and most anti-SSPX).

Accepting that 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust is NOT a dogma of the Catholic faith; why should it have anything to do with whether Bishop Williamson is excommunicated? Anyway, he doesn’t “deny” the Holocaust but thinks the figures have been greatly exaggerated, and I think he might be onto something. The “6 million” figure is often cited as a relying cry to support any Jewish/Israeli/Zionist cause; I think Bishop Williamson is just reacting against that.