Vatican Newspaper says Obama sought 'common ground' at ND

[JReducation]

Only the secular press has to substantiate the truth? Wow. I thought being Catholic was telling the truth. Certainly the Catholic Press has the responsibility to be Catholic and that is telling the truth. The fact is, Obama doesn’t want any conscience legislation protection and yet the Vatican Newspaper is saying otherwise. Being a Catholic Newspaper doesn’t excuse one from the 10 Commandments.

The Holy See has always been very careful not to allow the Catholic press to extrapolate or insinuate. It is also very demanding that any comments on the facts must come from the proper Vatican authorities, not the press office.

Usually, these articles are followed by some interview of someone in the Curia, if they wish to grant an interview.

Fraternally,

JR

 

[nancit]

Probably because he’s not the anti-Christ that everyone makes him out to be.

• Terrible views on just about every life issue.
• Seems to want to help poor folks.

He’s not looking to help poor people…he’s looking to make all of us POOR!

He’s been making some of the most outrageous power grabs of any president in history…he’s spending more money (our TAX DOLLARS) at a faster rate then any in history and in fact, if you add up the debt incurred by all previous administrations from the beginning of the US, you will find that Obama has, in four months, authorized the spending of MORE then that total!

In addition, the policies and regulations that he’s enforcing on businesses are going to futher the unemployment rates, cost us all a great deal more for goods and services and basically make us all more dependent upon the government. Which, when he finds that no one is working…and there is no tax money to be accumulated…he too, will have NO POWER or influence ANYWHERE in the world.

Finally, he is lessening the power and authority of the states in drastic amounts. Soon, there will be no reason to have state governments…other than to be the local “strong arms” of the Fed!

 

[nancit]

The Vatican likes many of his social policies: healthcare, distribution of wealth, peace through negotiation, fair treatment of prisoners of war etc.

It does not agree with him on life issues.

The Vatican paper does reflect the thoughts of the Vatican. Contrary to what was said above, it is published by the Vatican press and under the office of the Vatican Press Secretary.

What the paper reported is fact. Obama did say that he wanted to find common ground. This does not mean that the Vatican believes that there is a common ground. Even Obama said that the Pro-Life and Pro-Choice movements were irreconcileable. This too is a fact.

We have to look at the article very carefully. It is not endorsing Mr. Obama’s abortion position. It is reporting what he said.

Fraternally,

JR

Sorry, but I don’t believe that the Vatican is for the “distribution of wealth”…as done by the government. The Vatican has not ever supported Socialism or Communism.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

Sorry, but I don’t believe that the Vatican is for the “distribution of wealth”…as done by the government. The Vatican has not ever supported Socialism or Communism.

Indeed the Vatican is not in favor of socialism or communism but it has also been very critical of capitalism.
Secondly, the Vatican is a very European institution due to its history and that many of its Cardinals, bishops, and priests come from Europe. They tend to view universal health care as given and high taxes to support social programs as a norm.

We need to remember that the USA is the last “wild west” of capitalism and that the rest of the world (including the Catholic hierarchy) sees us as the strange ones.

 

[bookgirl32]

Sorry, but I don’t believe that the Vatican is for the “distribution of wealth”…as done by the government. The Vatican has not ever supported Socialism or Communism.

They don’t support the corrupt forms of government that socialism has become. There are, however, some aspects of the fundamental theories of socialism that are not considered contrary to natural law, and if fact support it (I think, correct me if I’m wrong, only a novice at studying this stuff).

A very oversimplified example: A man, through absolutely no fault of his own, has no food whatsoever to feed his starving family. There’s a case to be made that should he steal to get this food, if it is the ONLY way to get food, that he does in fact have a right to the food and is therefore not stealing.

 

[katy]

I’ve been watching this ever since Roe v. Wade. What pro-abortion people say and what they do are two entirely different things that do not bear any necessary relationship to each other.

 

[canadianguy1143]

The Holy See has always been very careful not to allow the Catholic press to extrapolate or insinuate. It is also very demanding that any comments on the facts must come from the proper Vatican authorities, not the press office.

Usually, these articles are followed by some interview of someone in the Curia, if they wish to grant an interview.

Fraternally,

JR

I have no problem with not allowing to extrapolate or insinuate. Let me restate some facts here:

In the CNS article it said the following:

The newspaper noted that Obama had called for reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies, facilitating adoption and supporting women who want to carry their babies to term, and that he had also spoken of drafting a “conscience clause” for medical personnel who are morally opposed to participating in abortions.

Now I don’t have the Osservatore Romano article to confirm that the CNS story is accurate, however lets assume that it is.

However, we do know that there is no conscience legislation and that Obama wanted to eliminate it.

ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=94798

So we know that Obama is not in favor of a conscience clause and has no intentions of passing a law to protect health care workers.

So Obama is lying.

The Vatican Newspaper is misinforming its readers by not revealing this FACTUAL INFORMATION.

 

[Veridical16]

I’m annoyed that people have to deal with propagandists within our own church and within our own forum, people who are trying to whitewash just how bad this obama presidency is…

Anyway, that Newspaper is suspect and I’m not surprised that people on here have pointed out that that newspaper does not speak officially for the Vatican… I think there are some weird infiltration on the inside. God wouldn’t have let his faithful be so blind and stupid to fall for the words of the speech, nor would it allow his faithful to clap his hands on “common ground” for abortion which seems rather insulting when it comes to the issue of Life and Death. You can’t find common ground, and the Vatican would be the first to scoff at such a patronizing speech.

L’Osservatore report whichever this newspaper is , that is part of Vatican city, needs to be investigated.

It’s laughable that someone suggested that they were being “objective” when they were merely spreading the lies of Obama with his speech. Pure propaganda…
I also advise our fellow Catholics who are skeptical, to always be on guard when dealing with the perpetuation of lies, here and through these kind of reports…there should be no compromise on abortion, nor should there be any “consolation” or “satiation” remarks “well, the Church agrees with his treatment of terrorists…” no it doesn’t, it hasn’t said anything officially yet!
Obama’s admin seems to have a lot of people under a spell who will rationalize and defend him with statements drawn out of thin air…

The Vatican likes many of his social policies: healthcare, distribution of wealth, peace through negotiation, fair treatment of prisoners of war etc.

It does not agree with him on life issues.

Wrong. The Catholic church does not support his views on distribution of wealth, nor healthcare…it does not support socialism. While it does encourage SOME government intervention, it does value parts of conservative democracy and capitalism, and personal responsibility. You aren’t informed where the Church really stands. It does not favor socialism, and does not completely favor pure capitalism, that is unrestrained…it does however LEAN towards conservative views on freedom and suggests that personal responsibility, and private charity should be promoted, and where private charity is lacking in some areas, THEN government and Church can compensate.

Nowhere does it support Universal Healthcare in a country that promotes abortion, utilitarianism, erring on euthanasia, mercy killing…nor does it support distribution of wealth VIA the government. It supports those that create jobs and wealth to allow more to work…

It’s very explicit on its opposition to state control of everything because it directly conflicts with the Church, and sees the influence of the Church as an enemy of its desired control of the people…

 

[nonsumd]

I don’t read L’Osservatore’s report as doing anything other than reporting what Obama says he thinks he is doing or intending to do (seek the “common ground” which he desperately, if erroneously, thinks exists).

Since become elected, he has become less strident in his rhetoric and hs backed away from some of the pro-abortion measures that he had originally pledged to push through. L’Osservatore is just reporting these facts, and I imagine it is hoping to encourage President Obama to continue along these lines (maybe castigating him for not reversing himself fast or completely enough would at this early point be counter-productive, pushing him back into the exclusive embrace of the pro-abortion militants – it is sad that many pro-lifers, including Catholics, voted for him, but he owes them, their swing votes, now and can’t totally ignore pro-lifers – by his own rhetoric he is after all now everyone’s president).

 

[7_Sorrows]

i think there is a thread at CAF about the vatican newspaper that said there was one article praising obama regarding his speech and one a few pages back criticizing him.

 

[JReducation]

I’m annoyed that people have to deal with propagandists within our own church and within our own forum, people who are trying to whitewash just how bad this obama presidency is…

Anyway, that Newspaper is suspect and I’m not surprised that people on here have pointed out that that newspaper does not speak officially for the Vatican… I think there are some weird infiltration on the inside. God wouldn’t have let his faithful be so blind and stupid to fall for the words of the speech, nor would it allow his faithful to clap his hands on “common ground” for abortion which seems rather insulting when it comes to the issue of Life and Death. You can’t find common ground, and the Vatican would be the first to scoff at such a patronizing speech.

L’Osservatore report whichever this newspaper is , that is part of Vatican city, needs to be investigated.

It’s laughable that someone suggested that they were being “objective” when they were merely spreading the lies of Obama with his speech. Pure propaganda…
I also advise our fellow Catholics who are skeptical, to always be on guard when dealing with the perpetuation of lies, here and through these kind of reports…there should be no compromise on abortion, nor should there be any “consolation” or “satiation” remarks “well, the Church agrees with his treatment of terrorists…” no it doesn’t, it hasn’t said anything officially yet!
Obama’s admin seems to have a lot of people under a spell who will rationalize and defend him with statements drawn out of thin air…

Wrong. The Catholic church does not support his views on distribution of wealth, nor healthcare…it does not support socialism. While it does encourage SOME government intervention, it does value parts of conservative democracy and capitalism, and personal responsibility. You aren’t informed where the Church really stands. It does not favor socialism, and does not completely favor pure capitalism, that is unrestrained…it does however LEAN towards conservative views on freedom and suggests that personal responsibility, and private charity should be promoted, and where private charity is lacking in some areas, THEN government and Church can compensate.

Nowhere does it support Universal Healthcare in a country that promotes abortion, utilitarianism, erring on euthanasia, mercy killing…nor does it support distribution of wealth VIA the government. It supports those that create jobs and wealth to allow more to work…

It’s very explicit on its opposition to state control of everything because it directly conflicts with the Church, and sees the influence of the Church as an enemy of its desired control of the people…

The red is mine.

Stop right there.

You have no right to tell me how informed I am of where ther Church stands or what I know about the Church. You have no idea what I have done within the Church or where I have done it. Nor have you any idea of what I do know and with whom I work or live.

If you want to discuss an issue, I will gladly discuss it. But you may NEVER AGAIN speak to me in the second person in that manner.

When one disagrees, one opens with an “I statement” such as “I disagree” or “I would like to know how you arrived at this conclusion?” One does not call into question what the other person knows or does not know. That is a violation of the rules of civil discourse, because it closes off the dialogue and opens a conflict between the two parties.

Thank you for your kindness.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF