Vatican official: Abuse of norms contributed to Tridentine decision

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Vatican official: Abuse of norms contributed to Tridentine decision

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) – A lack of respect for the norms for celebrating the Mass after the Second Vatican Council contributed to Pope Benedict XVI’s decision to grant wider permission for the celebration of the Tridentine Mass, a Vatican official said.

“There is a certain tendency to interpret the post-conciliar liturgical reform using ‘creativity’ as the rule,” said Archbishop Albert Malcolm Ranjith Patabendige Don, secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments.

An interview with the archbishop was published in the Nov. 19-20 edition of L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, after he had given a speech and an interview in which he criticized bishops and priests who were putting restrictions on celebrations of the Tridentine Mass even after Pope Benedict authorized wider use of the rite in July.

In his decree, the pope said the Tridentine Mass celebrated according to the 1962 Roman Missal should be made available in every parish where groups of the faithful desire it. He also said the Mass from the Roman Missal in use since 1970 remains the ordinary form of the Mass, while celebration of the Tridentine Mass is the extraordinary form.

L’Osservatore introduced the interview by saying, “The debate over liturgy is as open and lively as ever.” The paper asked Archbishop Ranjith if he thought it made sense that the pope’s July document on the Tridentine Mass “reignited the confrontation between the so-called traditionalists and so-called innovators.”

“Absolutely not,” the archbishop replied, because the two rites for the Mass both belong to the church and are a sign of continuity.

“Regarding the Tridentine Mass, over the years there was a growing request, which little by little became more organized,” he said.

“On the other side, fidelity to the norms for the celebration of the sacraments continued to fall,” he said. “The more this fidelity (and) a sense of the beauty and awe in the liturgy diminished, the more requests for the Tridentine Mass increased.”

“So, in fact, who really requested the Tridentine Mass? It was not just these groups, but also those who had little respect for the norms of a worthy celebration according to the ‘Novus Ordo,’” or new order, he said, referring to the post-Vatican II liturgy.

“For years the liturgy suffered too many abuses and many bishops ignored them” despite the efforts of Pope John Paul II, Archbishop Ranjith said.

“So the problem was not requests for the Tridentine Mass as much as an unlimited abuse of the nobility and dignity of the eucharistic celebration,” he said.

Archbishop Ranjith said that although the church’s liturgy has developed and changed over the centuries “we must recognize that the liturgy has a particular ‘conservative’ characteristic” because it is a part of the church’s heritage that must be preserved.

“This is a central aspect: We are called to be faithful to something that does not belong to us, but is given to us,” he said.

L’Osservatore also asked Archbishop Ranjith about liturgical music and art, saying they were other aspects in “the debate about the liturgy.”

Gregorian chant has a special place in the liturgy, he said, and it should be used “to give praise to the Lord.”

Other forms of music also are appropriate, he said, if one is sure that “they are edifying for the faith, that they spiritually nourish those who participate in the liturgy and truly dispose the hearts of the faithful to listen to God’s voice.”

As for the visual arts, Archbishop Ranjith said the church must find ways to enter into a deeper dialogue with artists to encourage religious art, but also to ensure that pieces of art in places of worship help people pray.

The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, he said, has scheduled a Dec. 1 study day to discuss ways to promote religious art for liturgy.

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Proves all along what is said:
The NOM is so subject to countless varieties of ABUSE, thus making it displeasing to the Lord as a form of worship.

Proving that it is a man-centered social activity at its core.
A liturgical putty ball.

Why even go there???

Just go to the genuine article.

Funny thing:
When liberals are cornered, they either stone you or admit what you have been saying all along, BUT as if they were the first to discover it all by themselves.
 
Proves all along what is said:
The NOM is so subject to countless varieties of ABUSE, thus making it displeasing to the Lord as a form of worship.
Not compatible with the dignity of man.

A boy and his little sister are making a desk tidy for Daddy’s birthday. Little sister insists on decorating it with felt tip, at which point the boy becomes annoyed. The telly said to use sticky back plastic. They fall out over it.

In a sense the boy is right. But in fact the felt-tip desk tidy would not be displeasing to Daddy.
 
IMO, we get the Liturgy we derserve. The abuses were result of contraception introduced to the faithful: when we contracept, we commit sin and as a punishment, God decides to remove the abundance of grace given to us at Liturgy, as a result the Church rececdes from certain areas, which has a double effect because we are not being sanctified, and we are not sanctified, we cannot convert the world, and the graces that flow to the world via the Liturgy are stopped. Hence, you see that Liturgy moves the world: Liturgy makes history.
 
Proves all along what is said:
The NOM is so subject to countless varieties of ABUSE, thus making it displeasing to the Lord as a form of worship.

Proving that it is a man-centered social activity at its core.
A liturgical putty ball.

Why even go there???

Just go to the genuine article.

Funny thing:
When liberals are cornered, they either stone you or admit what you have been saying all along, BUT as if they were the first to discover it all by themselves.
When you disrespect the NO Mass as the “genuine article,” you remind me of that group of priests who refused obedience to the Holy Father, preferring their own imaginings. Just a comment. Both forms of the Mass - Trindentine and NO - are dignified and blessed by Rome. Some people don’t want to hear that - still.
 
Hopefully, clown and gay masses will be a thing of the past. Also those “liturgical dancers” that have no place in United States masses. :mad:
 
Well of course we know what will be said now. That these abuses were few and far between and really don’t happen anymore and anyone who thinks that they do is just some mean spirited Traditionalist bent on destroying the progress made after Vatican II.

I have said for years that had the Pauline Rite been celebrated as it was written and NOT with the creativity? that many felt was their perogative to impose upon it, we never would have come to this.

I applaud the Vatican for finally saying something that reflects the truth of the situation of the past forty years,.
 
Hopefully, clown and gay masses will be a thing of the past. Also those “liturgical dancers” that have no place in United States masses. :mad:
I’ve never been to a Mass that had any of those elements present (I’m in my 60s) but I tend to believe that such elements might have existed (at rare moments?) here in the States.
 
Not compatible with the dignity of man.

A boy and his little sister are making a desk tidy for Daddy’s birthday. Little sister insists on decorating it with felt tip, at which point the boy becomes annoyed. The telly said to use sticky back plastic. They fall out over it.

In a sense the boy is right. But in fact the felt-tip desk tidy would not be displeasing to Daddy.
But I’ll bet my bottom dollar the horrific Barney Mass posted last year was.
 
I’ve never been to a Mass that had any of those elements present (I’m in my 60s) but I tend to believe that such elements might have existed (at rare moments?) here in the States.
If it was “rare” the Pope would not be so concerned. I remember reading that the Pope was given a video several years ago that contained actual footage of liturgical abuse throughout the world. He was appalled.
 
I’ve never been to a Mass that had any of those elements present (I’m in my 60s) but I tend to believe that such elements might have existed (at rare moments?) here in the States.
Not so in my neck of the woods. Look at the nutsy parishes on the west coast!

Look at some of this nonsense!:

cathcon.blogspot.com/2006/05/youth-mass-madness-in-frankfurt.html

cathcon.blogspot.com/2006/04/yellow-brick-road-instead-of-way-of.html

cathcon.blogspot.com/2005/07/new-bishop-of-linz-austria.html

cathcon.blogspot.com/2005/11/mass-no-longer-sacrifice-in-austria.html

This is the type of GARBAGE that Pope Benedict 16th is trying to SQUASH. Rightfully so.👍
 
If it was “rare” the Pope would not be so concerned. I remember reading that the Pope was given a video several years ago that contained actual footage of liturgical abuse throughout the world. He was appalled.
Very helpful bit of history. Thanks for passing it on to me.
I’m sure if I viewed such, I’d be appalled too.
 
Barney and Romper room have masses?
The Barney Mass happened last year in California. In it, at some point in the Mass, the presider removed his vestments, put on a Barney Costume and invited all to come up for a “Barney” blessing.:bigyikes:

There were other acts of sacrilige evident in the tape of this event. It was on youtube but I don’t know if it is still there.

Of course those sort of things really don’t happen and the entire event was no doubt staged by some Traditional group looking to discredit post Vatican II thought and theology:rotfl:
 
Of course those sort of things really don’t happen and the entire event was no doubt staged by some Traditional group looking to discredit post Vatican II thought and theology:rotfl:
You mean, it worked? 😉
 
The Barney Mass happened last year in California. In it, at some point in the Mass, the presider removed his vestments, put on a Barney Costume and invited all to come up for a “Barney” blessing.:bigyikes:

There were other acts of sacrilige evident in the tape of this event. It was on youtube but I don’t know if it is still there.

Of course those sort of things really don’t happen and the entire event was no doubt staged by some Traditional group looking to discredit post Vatican II thought and theology:rotfl:
Boy! That priest really needs prayers! Think of the spiritual void he must have! Was catechesis and prayer in seminaries so spare that so many priests had these huge voids? I live on the West Coast and have met some of these liturgical abusers. They are very sincere and truly believe they’re doing the right thing - no matter what they are told/read!:confused:
 
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Not so in my neck of the woods. Look at the nutsy parishes on the west coast!

Look at some of this nonsense!:

cathcon.blogspot.com/2006/05/youth-mass-madness-in-frankfurt.html

cathcon.blogspot.com/2006/04/yellow-brick-road-instead-of-way-of.html

cathcon.blogspot.com/2005/07/new-bishop-of-linz-austria.html

cathcon.blogspot.com/2005/11/mass-no-longer-sacrifice-in-austria.html

This is the type of GARBAGE that Pope Benedict 16th is trying to SQUASH. Rightfully so.👍
is that a union meeting?

That looks like every parish in ontario, made after 1970. No wonder it was a shock to myself to find out that the mass was actually a sacrifice!
 
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