Vatican once ran brothels?

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rarndt01:
We had some bad boy Popes in the past. Some brought into the world illegitimate children. One had a bastard son, who became the next Pope. One Pope was murdered for his Papal chair. And I heard one Pope was found out to be a woman, dressed in men’s clothes.

Ron from Ohio
While it’s true that there were bad men who became pope, the actual number is very small, when compared with the total number of approximately 264. The following popes can safely be placed in this category: 1) Vigilius, 2) Stephen VII, 3) Sergius III, 4) John XII, and 5) Benedict IX. The Spanish Pope Alexander VI is a special case in that he has been accused of every imaginable form of immorality. It’s true that prior to being elected pope, he had lived an immoral life and had sired at least 4 illegitimate children. He was also very acquisitive and had accumulated great wealth through the abuse of multiple benefices. As pope, he was a very effective administrator and accomplished much good by suppressing banditry and protecting Jews. It should be noted that many of the salacious stories about him were penned by political and ecclesiastical enemies. I’m aware of only 2 popes who were the legitimate sons of earlier popes. Pope Anastasius I at the end of the 4th century was succeeded by his legitimate son Innocent I. Pope Hormisdas in the 6th century, after 5 intervening popes, was succeeded by his legitimate son Silverius. All 4 of these men are considered saints. Universal celibacy was not yet the law of the Church. There were allegations made against Sergius III that he had an illegitimate son who eventually became John XI. However, there is no credible evidence for this charge. The story of a female Pope Joan has been proven to be a myth concocted in the 13th century about an event that supposedly occurred in the 9th century. There’s absolutely no evidence for this story. Just as a bad man, Judas, was chosen to be an apostle, so has the Church survived a relatively small number of immoral and incompetent leaders. When told by the Soviet leader Kruschchev that Communism would bury the Church, Pope John XXIII replied that, if Catholics like him hadn’t destroyed the Church in almost 2,000 years, it was unlikely that Communism would succeed. Thank the Holy Spirit who is always there to guide and protect the Catholic Church founded by Jesus.
 
James_2:24:
What is it with this accusation that the Vatican once ran brothels??? is this true?

It wouldn’t shake my faith any if it was… I mean I know we’ve have some corrupt leaders in the Church in the past… that doesn’t change the fact that it is the True Church…

I just want to know if there is any truth to this?
Sounds like your Protestant friends have read one too many Jack Chick tracts…:rolleyes: As a matter of fact I recall reading the Catholic Answers article on him and his tracts, and in one tract it accused the Catholic Church of hiring prostitutes and sending them somewhere, I can remember where…

Like someone already said on this thread, don’t believe everything you hear (or read). :cool:
 
James_2:24:
What is it with this accusation that the Vatican once ran brothels??? is this true?

It wouldn’t shake my faith any if it was… I mean I know we’ve have some corrupt leaders in the Church in the past… that doesn’t change the fact that it is the True Church…

I just want to know if there is any truth to this?
Ok I have done some google searches and have come to the conclusion that this is a case of mistaken identity, a bad translation from Italian to English and malicious intent.

In Rennisance Italy a Public Bath House was called a “bagnio.” Brothels were ALSO called “bagnio.” It seems that Europeans were less interested in bathing than they were in sex and would go to the Bath House, not to get clean, but to have sex. The Church had banned “co-ed” bathing centuries before and operated its own Bath, for the purpose of public hygine and sanitation. Unfortunately it too was called a “bagnio.”.
 
I searched in web and found BBC news article about Vatican & brothel. Here’s articles that maybe similar link that your protestant friends use…

“Vatican outraged at brothel slur”
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2327267.stm

“Vatican Says Moscow Brothel A Further Attempt To Discredit Church”
truthnews.com/world/2002100055.htm

“The Vatican: Gone with the Wind?”
home.earthlink.net/~grossklas/gwtw_in_the_vatican.htm

“Russian Catholics Decry Story About Monastery Brothel”
francis.ru/russia/press/lat.html
 
Found them as it is in medival era… It is from ANTI-Catholic site…
catholicconcerns.com/Popes.html (cut from this site shown below)

Pope John XII reigned from 955 to 964. He was a violent man. He was so lustful that people of his day said that he turned the Lateran Palace into a brothel. He drank toasts to the devil. When gambling he invoked pagan gods and goddesses. He was killed by a jealous husband while in the act of committing adultery with the man’s wife. [Note 4]

Pope Clement VI reigned from 1342 to 1352. He ordered the slaughter of an entire Italian town. He lived a life of luxury and extravagance. He openly admitted that he sold church offices and he used threats and bribery to gain power. Clement purchased a French palace which became known as a papal brothel. [Note 11]

Note 4. Peter de Rosa, pages 211-215. Hans Kung, page 79.

You can search for “John XII” in the following articles.
origin.island.lk/2002/07/16/featur04.html
christianchronicler.com/history1/medieval_papacy.html
geocities.com/paulntobin/papacy.html

Pope John XII
infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0826379.html
slider.com/enc/28000/John_XII_pope.htm

Note 11. Peter de Rosa, pages 84-88.
You can search for “Clement VI” in this article. He was one of the “Avignon popes”.
geocities.com/paulntobin/papacy.html
 
Is anyone else blown away by how many gullible people there are who will accept anything they read on the internet as truth?? One has to be extremely careful.
 
Where or not the story is true isn’t important; you need to remember that a lot of Popes weren’t even priests at the time they were elected Pope. (Politics). These men brought with them their worldly believes and lifestyles.The most important thing to remember is the truths taught by the Catholic church not the human failures of some of its members.

I suggests you research some failings of your friends protestant churches. Then the next time they bring this up you can start drawing these failings in the sand and see how they react! For instance the torture and killing of Catholics by the Anglican church or how the members of the Dutch Reform Church setup Apartheid in South Africa.
 
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