Vatican to take harder line on Islam

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brotherhrolf:
Franze: I really had to read your post over and over to understand what I think you were trying to say. I applaud your posting, however. I wouldn’t think about posting on a Spanish site. I can read Spanish but for me to think and compose in Spanish? Nunca! Yo leo espanol mas que hablo espanol.
The resumen will be, without more faith and the destruction of secularism and laicism, we can´t fight against islam, it´s my opinion
 
Ok, I’m going to break out my Spanish dictionary and get to work. Islam win? Never! Deus Volt! I’ll take the cross especially after September 11, 2001. Remeber what Admiral Yamamoto said, “We have awoken a giant and filled him with terrible resolve.” Don’t let the American media fool you. We are every bit as resolute as our parents were in the 1940s.
 
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A.Pelliccio:
The Crusades were a noble calling.
or not. parts of them may have been, but you can’t tell me that something like the sack of constantinople was anything that even remotely resembled noble.

“One Turkish newspaper, Hurriyet, said the pope had not apologized for the Crusades and that Muslims were waiting.”

didnt john paul II do just that a few years ago when he did that big apology?
 
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brotherhrolf:
Ok, I’m going to break out my Spanish dictionary and get to work. Islam win? Never! Deus Volt! I’ll take the cross especially after September 11, 2001. Remeber what Admiral Yamamoto said, “We have awoken a giant and filled him with terrible resolve.” Don’t let the American media fool you. We are every bit as resolute as our parents were in the 1940s.
We are with God and we are winners, but if we don´t have strongs pastors , bishops and priests many people have to go to the hell, this is the danger, islam has simple truths, is a communism with God, and is agree with divorces for men, abortion( Muhammad thought that a soul was created in 4 months) and they don´t say anything about anticonception.
They have more children because they want to conquer the world, islam is the perfect religion of war.
However christianism, is different, we are sons of God and brothers of Christ, we are nor individuals neither colectives, we have the eucharisty, we can receive God all the days, we aren´t slaves of God, we are sons of God, we heir his kingdom. But many catholics and many western non-catholics despise Jesus and God, they don´t want to be sons, they want to be God, and judge what is good and what is bad, they don´t have faith, they don´t leave in God and they don´t embrace the cross, the cross of routine, the cross of having children and not a confortable life, they don´t want the cross to evangelize, although ridicules, evangelize to Christ, we aren´t Christ.
The Christ of loving our enemies is very popular, but Christ throwing the marketers in the temple wasn´t so popular, but all is Christ.
Excuse me for this long Post.
 
Not all the results of the crusade were noble or christian for that matter. But no one can deny that the spirit of the crusade was not a noble one, or that the speech of Pope Urban in France was not moving. The defense of the Holy Land and the movement to liberate it was well worth and should be continued.
 
If you read the Pope’s rather long speech given at the conclusion of Mass today, where he gave some overview on a number of issues, I got the specific feeling that JP II’s policy of embracing other religions, with an eye to ultimately grow closer is Benedict’s plan. I certainly didn’t get any flavor of hard line, changing course, etc.

Did anyone else read it and have an opinion on what he said about this?
 
We need to be very wary indeed of Islam.

Built into Islam is the idea of continuous **Jihad ** until the whole non-Islamic world is under Islam. Their spokesmen may deny it these days, and say Jihad is all about spiritual battles, but they have always called all lands outside Islam “The House of War”.

In Europe, over the past 30 years, Muslims moved in as temporary workers in millions. They form communities and build mosques and Islamic schools. They use the religious freedom laws in the west to demand equal treatment and the right to evangelise, to TV time, to buy old churches and to wear Islamic dress. Ask many, and they will admit the eventual aim is to take over. Yet in Muslim lands in the past 30 years the number of Christians has declined to a fraction of what it was. Christians do not have equal rights. They are subject to bombings, to arrests, to death-threats if they “insult” the Prophet or attempt to convert muslims.

And wherever in the world Muslims become a majority, they demand the imposition of Islamic law, In Africa, the Balkans, Central Asia, and elsewhere. This immediately makes Christians 2nd class citizens.

So, apart from violent conflicts (in which Muslims are involved all over the world: Sudan, Phillipines, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Armenia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Algeria, Iraq, Palestine, Russia, Thailand, Indonesia etc.). Muslims eek to dominate by peaceful means.

The Church needs a strategy for dealing with this. We have to insist on full rights for Christians in Islamic countries. The right to build churches and to preach and convert - or they cannot have those rights here.
 
For those on this forum that do not think that Islam is a threat you must read “Onward Muslim Soldiers” and “Islam Unveiled” by Spencer. These writings are loaded with the truth about Islam and the author uses the Koran and historical fact to make his case. How may Catholic curches were once mosques? None. How may Mosques were once catholic churches? Over 800. Study recent history on Cyprus.Study the concepts of dhimmitude and Jehad. If you don’t know about this then find out.

Europe is rapidly loosing their catholic faith, the churches are virtually empty. Many Priests are wearing suits, not the collar. The muslims are moving in by the millions and building mosques all over Europe, especially in France, and there is talk about converting catholic churches into mosques in Norway. Check it out! The facts are available. Who has caused the last 15 wars?

Muslims never stop complaining about how they are treated in non muslim countries, but check out how other religions are treated in Muslim countries. Look into what happens when mulsims finally have a majority in any country. Muslims do not assimilate into the country or culture of their host country as other immigrants do. Its time for the world to wake up and see whats coming. History repeats itself. Read the history if Islam starting with Mohammad.

Keep an open mind, but do study what Islam is all about!!!
 
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