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By Ellen W. Horowitz http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Images/transparent.gif
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I had a privileged upbringing, and with it came the opportunity to travel, see and study my share of art, history and culture. I’ve beheld man-made structures that are both magnificent and imposing. I’ve viewed the ceiling of the Sistine chapel and have been inside of the Dome of the Rock (don’t tell the Waqf). And this Jew can say with full confidence that I find nothing intrinsically holy in grand architecture or in the finest wood, stone, mosaic or iron work – no matter how glorious. In fact – for all of their grandeur – domed ceilings, marble flooring and decorative pillars leave me a bit cold…

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With all of the rantings over our recent failures at securing Gush Katif and certain communities in Shomron, there are some activist leaders who will, once again, miss the boat by failing to take note of this issue and vigorously protest. They may not comprehend that Jerusalem is on the line and not realize how important it is to unite, raise a public outcry, and apply immense pressure on President Katsav before his November 17th trip to Rome. They may choose not to, because some of our top activists and organizations are themselves currying favor and funds from various Christian groups and are afraid to make waves or poison the relationship. This issue should be at the top of our agenda and is cause for all Torah observant Jews to unite together, as well as those of our people with any sense of self respect and Jewish history. I wonder how Katsav’s speechwriter, the religiously observant Yaakov Ma’or, will handle his duties without compromising his principles?

I have contacted Rabbi Goldstein of the Diaspora Yeshiva (housed in the building on Mt. Zion involved in the purported swap), and he has fully sanctioned our protesting at his time.

While many of us have been fully engaged in the battle against the physical threat to our nation, we must remember that there is an equally critical battle taking place over our very souls. Missionary activity abounds in Israel and there is something of a land grab taking place by various Christian interest groups. But make no mistake, it’s we Israelis who have encouraged, strengthened and establish these relationships at any cost. By making generous offers to the few “friends” we have, or would like to have, we’ve invited and created another very real threat to our very existence.

Religious Christian influence in the Jewish state is growing by leaps and bounds. According to an October 20th article in the Guardian, the Jerusalem Post will soon be introducing a monthly Christian edition. And Haaretz recently reported that plans are in the works to develop an evangelical Christian center on 125 acres (500 dunams) of prime Lake Kinneret real estate. It’s described as a mini-Israel of sorts which may include a biblical theme park and will provide Christians with a sense that “Jesus lived here”. But anyone who has toured the Galilee region will tell you that the point has already been made.

If spiritual concerns aren’t your thing, then at least consider the following: relinquishing control of buildings to the church has, in the past, placed our soldiers in precarious situations and our government in a diplomatic mine field. Recall that for almost 6 weeks in 2002 Palestinian terrorists were holed-up in the Church of Nativity in Bethlehem. There was an impossible and ridiculous standoff which ended up with the terrorists being sent to hotels in Europe. And need I remind anyone of the dangers and logistical nightmare we face with the Moslem Waqf in control of the Temple Mount.

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CONTINUED FROM POST #2Am I being overly sensitive? Before I wrote this piece, I asked myself that question and called my rabbi for a reality check. After hearing the details, he laughed the kind of laugh which I’m sure Rabbi Akiva laughed upon seeing the foxes on Har HaBayit. He suggested that I write the strongest piece possible, but advised that I remain dignified. He said “dignified”, but he didn’t say “diplomatic” (that gives me a bit of leeway, doesn’t it?)

So Friends, Romans (I’ll get to countrymen soon), lend me your ear… and please understand that when you’re in Israel, we welcome you as our guests. We have excellent tourist facilities, archeological and religious sites, museums, stunning vistas, restaurants and places of entertainment. We will protect your body with the best security forces and apparatus in the world. And we will provide for your soul by ensuring open access to sufficient sites that are sacred to all religions. We ask in return that you accept and respect the Jewish nature of our state and our need to keep it that way.

President Katsav, members of our diplomatic core, members of Knesset and Diaspora do-gooders… when in Rome, remember who you are and the obligations you have to your people. Ensure the integrity of our land, Torah and heritage. You are public servants representing the Jewish nation, not slaves beholden to any foreign power. A little self-respect is called for. We don’t have to pay any tribute to Rome, but they may owe us something (like some of the pillaged items hidden away in those underground vaults of theirs).

And please keep in mind that building fences to protect our spiritual self -preservation is as important and as legitimate as constructing fences to protect our physical well- being.

No matter how overwhelmingly impressive you find the pomp, ceremony and architectural achievements of an oval office, Vatican complex, or synagogue-turned-church in Toledo, there is nothing more valuable or precious than the Land of Israel. It is simply not to be swapped, sold or surrendered.

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So Friends, Romans (I’ll get to countrymen soon), lend me your ear… and please understand that when you’re in Israel, we welcome you as our guests. We have excellent tourist facilities, archeological and religious sites, museums, stunning vistas, restaurants and places of entertainment. We will protect your body with the best security forces and apparatus in the world. And we will provide for your soul by ensuring open access to sufficient sites that are sacred to all religions. We ask in return that you accept and respect the Jewish nature of our state and our need to keep it that way.
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I don’t intend to be elitist or anything, but I would wonder what would happen if Israel didn’t have the U.S. to prop them up or the British to set them up in the first place? They are lucky Palestine was made into the state of Israel.

I respect them as their own country but as to the article it does come off rather snotty.
 
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ComradeAndrei:
I don’t intend to be elitist or anything, but I would wonder what would happen if Israel didn’t have the U.S. to prop them up or the British to set them up in the first place? They are lucky Palestine was made into the state of Israel.

I respect them as their own country but as to the article it does come off rather snotty.
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Just a note on history - from the creation of the state of Israel to the 7 days war in 1969, Israel did not get support form the USA or anyone else. Then they kicked butt against all their neighbors combined attack. It was only after they demonstrated their competence that the USA, Britain and others to a lesser extent started giving significant support.
 
This gal is taking a position that implies that Christianity is some kind of foreign invader with no history in Palestine. As if Jesus hadn’t been himself a Jew but is an alien whose sect must be suppressed at all costs. She isn’t thinking straight here but with extreme prejudice, the very thing she would say caused the holocaust and the continuing war with their Muslim neighbors. It seems to me that she has substituted true Judaism with mere nationalism. Sad, isn’t it?
 
For a Jew, a simple canvas structure standing in Eretz Yisrael, and filled with the joy of those observing the mitzvot of Succot, should win the holiness contest hands-down when juxtaposed against the most magnificent of historical synagogues in Toledo, Spain. And yet, it appears that years of immersion in the material, and exile from the spiritual, has sapped the ability of the Jewish people to perceive and value that which is sacred?
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So much for the efforts of some (misguided) Jews to rebuild the Temple, eh? :rolleyes:
 
These are the same radical Jews that thought the Passion movie was going to start a second holocaust-in one ear,out the other!
 
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alekzander:
These are the same radical Jews that thought the Passion movie was going to start a second holocaust-in one ear,out the other!
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It seems that they are more common than once thought.
 
Karin said:
What a friendly bunch of folks…:nope:
By Ellen W. Horowitz http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Images/transparent.gif
http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Images/transparent.gif
I had a privileged upbringing, and with it came the opportunity to travel, see and study my share of art, history and culture. I’ve beheld man-made structures that are both magnificent and imposing. I’ve viewed the ceiling of the Sistine chapel and have been inside of the Dome of the Rock (don’t tell the Waqf). And this Jew can say with full confidence that I find nothing intrinsically holy in grand architecture or in the finest wood, stone, mosaic or iron work – no matter how glorious. In fact – for all of their grandeur – domed ceilings, marble flooring and decorative pillars leave me a bit cold…

web.israelinsider.com/views/6890.htm
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As a cradle Catholic, I’ve always held the view that Judaism was our Mother Religion. You have singlehandedly dispelled that concept. It feels like my big sister telling me that I’m not good enough to be her sibling.
 
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Subrosa:
As a cradle Catholic, I’ve always held the view that Judaism was our Mother Religion. You have singlehandedly dispelled that concept. It feels like my big sister telling me that I’m not good enough to be her sibling.
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sorry to burst the bubble
 
She’s just bitter that Jesus switched teams, that’s all 🙂
 
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She’s just bitter that Jesus switched teams, that’s all 🙂
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She doesn’t have Jesus’ teaching. We must keep that in mind. Forgive her, love your enemy, turn the other cheek, she has none of it.
 
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Subrosa:
She doesn’t have Jesus’ teaching. We must keep that in mind. Forgive her, love your enemy, turn the other cheek, she has none of it.
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Do you show the same compassion for the Muslims on this forum?
 
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Subrosa:
She doesn’t have Jesus’ teaching. We must keep that in mind. Forgive her, love your enemy, turn the other cheek, she has none of it.
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I feel for her, don’t worry. I was being sarcastic, hence the 🙂
 
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Subrosa:
As a cradle Catholic, I’ve always held the view that Judaism was our Mother Religion. You have singlehandedly dispelled that concept. It feels like my big sister telling me that I’m not good enough to be her sibling.
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Of course, not all Jews feel as strongly this woman who wrote the article does. And, it is we Catholics who regard Judaism as our mother religion. The Jews don’t think of us that way–they think of us as interlopers and usurpers of their religion and their religious texts, with some justification. I mean, if Jesus isn’t truly the Messiah we believe him to be they would be quite right feel that way, wouldn’t they? The way we feel about Martin Luther or John Calvin?
 
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Karin:
Do you show the same compassion for the Muslims on this forum?
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Actually, I haven’t posted to the muslim threads as I have no knowledge of the religion, so I choose not to comment. I certainly feel the same compassion for them.

It is something that we are taught to do as a tenet of our religion. There are many teachings by Jesus concerning this very thing. The scripture tells that “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.”

We owe it to Him to return the same love to Him and all of humanity.

Subrosa
 
Karin said:
What a friendly bunch of folks…:nope:
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:confused: I find it upsetting that upon reporting the swap, The Catholic News failed to make mention of the fact that the building on Mt. Zion which is involved in the purported deal not only currently houses a vibrant yeshiva, but is also the traditional location of the Tomb of King David… President Katsav, members of our diplomatic core, members of Knesset and Diaspora do-gooders… when in Rome, remember who you are and the obligations you have to your people. Ensure the integrity of our land, Torah and heritage…

“For Your servants have cherished [Zion’s] stones and favor her dust.”
(the words of King David, Psalms 102:14)
Horowitz is concerned about the cultural heritage of her own nation. I see nothing either unusual or improper about this.
 
Karin said:
What a friendly bunch of folks…:nope:
By Ellen W. Horowitz http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Images/transparent.gif
http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Images/transparent.gif
I had a privileged upbringing, and with it came the opportunity to travel, see and study my share of art, history and culture. I’ve beheld man-made structures that are both magnificent and imposing. I’ve viewed the ceiling of the Sistine chapel and have been inside of the Dome of the Rock (don’t tell the Waqf). And this Jew can say with full confidence that I find nothing intrinsically holy in grand architecture or in the finest wood, stone, mosaic or iron work – no matter how glorious. In fact – for all of their grandeur – domed ceilings, marble flooring and decorative pillars leave me a bit cold…

web.israelinsider.com/views/6890.htm
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It ain’t all like that!

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