Vegans are wrong. Dairy can be ethical

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Vegans dismiss dairy farming whether or not cows are slaughtered. They are wrong because Hindus revere cows and they are treated with respect. And milk is important in their rituals and diet. Dairy cows produce more milk than calves need. Industrial farming is due to demand never seen before. Demand is the problem not dairy itself.
 
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They don’t consume beef and mistreating cows is not permitted. Vegans argue milk can only be obtained through the slaughter of calves. Clearly, this is a modern practice.
 
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Dairy can be ethical, as you say, and it certainly was before we had industrial dairy farming. Whether dairy farming is still ethical now is not so clear. I don’t think we should blindly believe everything animal-rights activists claim. But on the other hand, if you’ve ever seen an industrial dairy farm, it’s hardly a good environment for the cows: it’s basically a factory.
 
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They don’t consume beef and mistreating cows is not permitted. Vegans argue milk can only be obtained through the slaughter of calves. Clearly, this is a modern practice.
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Yes that is true. The cows provide milk for about 5 of their 20 years. Keeping many non-working cows around will greatly increase the methane. Each cow produces about the amount of pollution that a car produces, I have read.
 
I think I see what you mean.

One thing I do know about dairy is that the dairy industry in Canada is very corrupt.
 
OK, so you have no issues eating dead animals in spite of all that even science is telling us about consuming it. Go for it.
 
Nelka read the labelling on shampoo bottles, there are some that list ‘vegan friendly’.
As far as contraception, there are a variety of methods…and from the Catholic stand, all no go zones . NFP is different
 
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Yeah, it’s kind of ironic how they vegans are all so obsessed being environmentally friendly and ‘natural’ and yet at the same time use contraception, which is one of the most unnatural and unenvironmentally friendly thing someone can do.
 
Except therer are plenty of people following a vegan diet without the issues of morality. Similarly, not all those following a carnivore diet do so because they feel it their place to be dominant over animals…not sure why we tend to paint the world with such a broad brush.
 
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Naturally your profile image would be of a dog.

If meat was good enough for our Lord it’s good enough for me.
 
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Actually, Hindu dairy farmers do eat beef, which is why high caste Hindus look down on them.

There is a very good book about this, but I will have to look it up.
 
My husband’s family own dairy farms. They are not like factories. The only room that looks remotely “factory-ish” is the room with the bulk tank, and the cows don’t go in there. They spend most of their day outdoors, roaming around eating grass. They come in twice a day to be milked.
 
Wow. Thats pretty harsh. Im a staunch Catholic and was vegan for a time. I have been debating on going back to veganism or vegetarianism for a while now.

I dont fit any of your descriptions, so I’m confused a bit?
 
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Not all vegans misunderstand how the dairy industries work. I know lots of people who will consume meat, eggs, and dairy that they raised themselves or bartered for because they are sure that ethical practices were used, but as far as eating food in public, they order vegan because they don’t know where the animal products came from.
 
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