Vegans are wrong. Dairy can be ethical

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That often overlooked word “generally” does come in handy. I can’t personally think of any situation in which I wouldn’t eat meat, except for Ash Wednesday and the Fridays when I remember.
 
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The problem I have with vegans is they like to terrorise meat eaters and force their beliefs on others.
 
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Correct . Not all are like this but more often than not that’s what I’ve experienced
 
That’s totally fine. But there many people who so not fit u see the general description we see in the mainstream. Some people are vegans for health reasons. But I agree with you that a good chunk of vegans are pretty much cookoo Peta activists.
 
I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the church has never said animals have rights of any kind. You can be a Catholic vegan/vegetarian, but I don’t think you can do so on moral grounds.

I heard someone on Catholic answers say that once.

St. Paul had something very specific to say about even having this argument Romans 14:22-24
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
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I don’t think we should appeal to false religions to make our cases. It’s very possible that, despite the intense respect for cows in Hinduism, they’re not following a perfect morality in their attempts to treat them as well as possible.

The better case to make would be that it seems a rather necessary source of calcium and other vitamins for us, and there weren’t exactly very many other ways for our ancestors 100, 500 or 4,000 years ago to get it except through dairy.
 
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Is that what they call farts these days?
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The cows emit, through both ends, methane. So it is pollution – EPA lists methane as a greenhouse gas.

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Overview of Greenhouse Gases | US EPA

Information on emissions and removals of the main greenhouse gases to and from the atmosphere.
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My father was a farmer. Farmers tend to take good care of their animals. They are the ‘inventory’ and as such, they keep the families ‘going.’ On a couple occasions I have seen some abuse to the stock, but they were committed by individuals rather than by commercial farms.
 
I am amazed at the picture painted of a person who chooses to be vegan on this thread,
Vegan is about saying no to more then just meat.
We have everything from their crazed support in activist groups, their not eating certain foods being equated with other behaviours obviously all vegans engage in, Scripture quoted in support of the denial of animal rights on moral grounds, the misunderstanding from the dairy industry through to the environment.

This is a great example of othering in several forms.

Don’t want to eat Brussel sprouts no worries, it’s all good, don’t want to use animal products, you have too many Roos loose in your top paddock.
 
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Two dairy farm Web sites describe how the animals are treated. The following claims are made:
  • Calves are separated from the mothers shortly after birth for health reasons.
  • Mothers don’t miss their calves.
  • Calves are kept in roomy hutches for individualized infant care.
  • Infants are given milk substitutes because mother’s milk may be tainted by manure.
  • The female calves are raised to be dairy cows.
  • The male calves are raised for beef.
  • Owing to lower demand, few if any males are used as veal calves.
  • The best males are used as studs.
  • Some dairy farmers use female sperm to inseminate cows, thus avoiding extra male calves.
I’m hope this information is helpful. NB: Each Web site reflects the view of one farmer. It can’t be generalized.

http://moderndayfarmchick.com/2017/02/19/why-dairy-farmers-seperate-cows-calves/

http://www.dairymoos.com/what-happens-to-the-male-calves/
 
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Nelka in my country there is a whole range of products that list vegan or vegetarian suitable.
 
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The Catechism does specify how animals should be treated.

Respect for the integrity of creation

2415 The seventh commandment enjoins respect for the integrity of creation.
Animals, like plants and inanimate beings, are by nature destined for the common
good of past, present, and future humanity. Use of the mineral, vegetable, and animal
resources of the universe cannot be divorced from respect for moral imperatives.
Man’s dominion over inanimate and other living beings granted by the Creator is not
absolute; it is limited by concern for the quality of life of his neighbor, including
generations to come; it requires a religious respect for the integrity of creation.

2416 Animals are God’s creatures. He surrounds them with his providential
care. By their mere existence they bless him and give him glory. Thus men owe
them kindness. We should recall the gentleness with which saints like St. Francis
of Assisi or St. Philip Neri treated animals.

2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his
own image. Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may
be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific
experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within
reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.

2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die
needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should
as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one
should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.

Emphasis mine.
 
Only to the extent that the culture is infinitely more biased toward animal consumption. I pretty much need to prepare meals at home unless I want a salad or vegetable fajita. Is one decent vegan option at a restaurant really that threatening?
 
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This is an over generalization. You can’t say all vegans use contraception unless you have data to back it up.
 
Not all vegans terrorize meat eaters. They usually argue that all meat production causes animals to suffer. Some are obnoxious, but not all of them. I have vegan friends who only sound off if they are asked for their opinions.
 
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