Vegetarian lifestyle

[tambourine]

Firstly, I personally believe it’s not morally wrong to eat meat, the bible is clear that it’s not. I’m fine with rodeos, hunting if the kill is not wasted, fishing, et cetera. I’m a huge animal lover, I’ve volunteered in the local animal shelters and vet clinics. And for the record, I hate PETA with a passion. And I love the meat eating jokes such as “There’s plenty of room for God’s creatures… right by the mashed potatoes.” and
people
eating
tasty
aimals,
and my favourite;
poorly
educated
teen
activists.


But I think when I’m out living on my own * there’s a good chance I’ll become a vegetarian.

Here’s my reasoning;

• You can watch animal cops on animal planet, and when there’s a pet dog in bad condition in a poor enviroment, then it’s awful. In slaughter homes, in order to maximine profits animals are crowded and in tight spaces. It’s hypocritical.
• I watched a show earlier this week, a community in africa’s only source of meat is rats. I feel guilty for eating my chicken meanwhile there’s people starving and chewing rat meat. I’m in a ‘i hate america’ mood lately, the USA is so excessive and beyond greedy for the almighty dollar.
• And while it’s impossible to be completely vegan and not support the US’s consumerism, why not at least do your best to live a simplier lifestyle? The amount to grains to feed the animals is ridiculous, * and there’s people dying of hunger. Meanwhile, the obesity in this country is disheartening.
• the overall conditions of slaughters is to me a sign of how man is failing to recognize the gift of God’s creation. And trust me, I am all for man having dominion but where’s the compassion? I don’t mean every animal needs a name and hug before being shipped off, it’s just the waste.
• Violence towards animals, humans, and the earth is all one piece. The american attitude is more more more, now now now. “Jesus and the early Christians saw that the whole system of violence was madness, and that the answer was not to try to reform it, but simply remove oneself from it entirely.” - i don’t know where this quote is from, sorry.

And obviously, animals must have some importance to God.
“Are not five sparrows sold for two pence? and not one of them is forgotten in the sight of God.”
Luke 12:6

And isn’t it said in the bible that the lion will lay with the lamb? Perhaps vegetarian is just a good preparation of the soul, it’s a discipline and making your life less focused on oneself.

I mean, I’ve got a long way to go before I feel I’m less materialistic and such, and while I like USA’s on it’s capitalism but the excessiveness makes me want to retreat. And if you feel God in your heart, sort of leading you to that direction, how can it be wrong? I’ve looked at both sides of the coin, gave it alot of time to chew on it, and this has been something I’ve wanted to do since I was young. I wouldn’t become one when I’m living in my parents house, I can’t expect them to support the expense of it or my mom to cook special vegan meals.

Does anyone have any argument for what I’ve said? Any fellow vegetarians on this site?

God bless!**

 

[praise_Jesus_1]

I’m a vegetarian. People do it for any variety of reasons. Your reasons are valid, and we are called to be stewards over the animals which includes treating them with respect. The mass production of meat doesn’t always treat these animals with respect.

I’m vegetarian primarily because my fiance is. I will occasionally eat meat when I volunteer at a group home and I eat whatever they give me as a sign of gratitude.

 

[anEvilAtheist]

I agree with most of what you said. I became vegetarian for similar reasons when I moved away from home. Although our sources of moral values are different, I still hate seeing animals suffer. And I also don’t agree with the extreme animal rights people. Best of luck to you, and I don’t think you’ll regret the decision to go vegetarian.

By the way, if you’re looking for the Catholic perspective, you might want to check the group on this site for Catholic vegetarians .

 

[aspawloski4th]

I hope for your sakes that you don’t become hypoglycemics or brittle diebetics. If that happens you will have to drop being a vegetarian to live.

 

[puzzleannie]

Does anyone have any argument for what I’ve said? Any fellow vegetarians on this site?

God bless!

another possible choice in answer to the very valid concerns you raise is to select meats only from venues that raise and slaughter them humanely, and such places are readily located in the web, and often locally. I am not vegetarian because after an extended trial (several years) I cannot control sugars, weight, lipids and complications of diabetes on that diet. My hunch is that in the future metabolic types will be better identified as will the specific diets that different people do best wtih, but much more precisely and accurately than various systems touted now.

My fish is wild caught by people I know, my meat, fowl and eggs are locally raised, natural feed, free range, just by neighboring ranchers here, or by the Amish when I am up north. I don’t each much of it but what I do eat is not raised, slaughtered, stored or sold by the factory system. For that reason I avoid eating restaurant meals as much as possible, except in places connected to such local meat operations. The rest of my diet consists of fresh or flash frozen vegetables, with a little fruit, most of it raised locally, or organic.

 

[Walt_Oliver]

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[puzzleannie]

this webstite, vegetarian paradise, is info central for someone who wants to dive in to this lifestyle
vegparadise.com/index.html
they can get somewhat political at times but you can skip the blog part, which is minimal, but most of the site is devoted to analysis of plant foods, their uses, nutritional info, recipes, sources, and is invaluable for anyone who is new and wants to learn more about vegan living and eating. For someone who does not know how to find, buy and prepare plant foods and how to build a healthy diet this is an excellent first place to start.

 

[4elise]

this webstite, vegetarian paradise, is info central for someone who wants to dive in to this lifestyle
vegparadise.com/index.html
they can get somewhat political at times but you can skip the blog part, which is minimal, but most of the site is devoted to analysis of plant foods, their uses, nutritional info, recipes, sources, and is invaluable for anyone who is new and wants to learn more about vegan living and eating. For someone who does not know how to find, buy and prepare plant foods and how to build a healthy diet this is an excellent first place to start.

We also started a group right here on CAF - Catholic Vegetarians and Vegans - opportunities for those who already are - or are considering it - to share resources - blessings,

 

[latin_rite]

Firstly, I personally believe it’s not morally wrong to eat meat, the bible is clear that it’s not. I’m fine with rodeos, hunting if the kill is not wasted, fishing, et cetera. I’m a huge animal lover, I’ve volunteered in the local animal shelters and vet clinics. And for the record, I hate PETA with a passion. And I love the meat eating jokes such as “There’s plenty of room for God’s creatures… right by the mashed potatoes.” and
people
eating
tasty
aimals,
and my favourite;
poorly
educated
teen
activists.


But I think when I’m out living on my own * there’s a good chance I’ll become a vegetarian.

Here’s my reasoning;

• You can watch animal cops on animal planet, and when there’s a pet dog in bad condition in a poor enviroment, then it’s awful. In slaughter homes, in order to maximine profits animals are crowded and in tight spaces. It’s hypocritical.!*
  Those dogs aren’t bred for food. Not eating meat will not stop such vile acts.
  Those people are cruel for many “reasons” not because you eat meat. nor will will they stop if you give it up.

tambourine;5320133:

I watched a show earlier this week, a community in africa’s only source of meat is rats. I feel guilty for eating my chicken meanwhile there’s people starving and chewing rat meat. I’m in a ‘i hate america’ mood lately, the USA is so excessive and beyond greedy for the almighty dollar.

The chicken that you don’t eat isn’t going to be sent to africa.

And while it’s impossible to be completely vegan and not support the US’s consumerism,

Why not support American consumerism? While i’m not from the U.S. I will venture to say that the U.S goverment sends a lot of aid to 3rd world countries. and where do they get that money from?
That being said. I go vegiterian durng lent. Well i give up all meat except for fish. but after 15 days or so of fish i’m so sick of it i go vegiterian. And i can tell you, i feel great. I would probably know the benifits of being a vegiterian more than a full time vegiterian. My body just feels so much cleaner. ( if you know what i mean) But not only that i just feel more healthy. The only problem for me is. not being a full time vegiterian. my recipe ideas are rather limited. I’m just happy i’m a great fan of stir frys and rice n beans.

 

[Saralinda]

I hope for your sakes that you don’t become hypoglycemics or brittle diebetics. If that happens you will have to drop being a vegetarian to live.

Not true. I am not a vegetarian, but my daughter is vegan (or was until she became pregnant–still vegetarian, just not vegan) and she finds it easier to balance her blood sugar on a vegan diet. In fact, she became vegan to improve her health. She has fibromyalgia and has a tendency to run very LOW blood sugars. She found that being vegetarian has improved her health and stabilized her blood sugar. As long as you get a balanced diet with the proper amount of protein, carbs, fats, etc, you can thrive. I would check with a certified dietician to be sure in an individual case.

 

[bkropp]

Hello,
I have been Veggi plus fish, dairy, and eggs for many years now, and I am very happy with that choice. Like one of the other threads on this post I occasionally stray from this out of respect and gratitude. And sometimes when the fried chicken is first rate. lol.

I would suggest for anyone who is considering to cut red meat and pork first, and then progress to chicken fish or whatever else you choose to give up. I also match the sentiments of many on this thread who bring up concerns over health. I am not certain about controlling diabetes but that is an interesting question. Also, if you are considering a veggi diet, the most important thing is to DO THE VEGGI THING WELL :

This means research health problems that can come from depriving yourself of nutrients that are primary found in meats such as Vitamin B12 and Iron. And consume regularly a diet with all of the nutrients. It becomes quite a problem at times to get the quantity and quality of calories you need when there is not a first rate veggi cook around.

Blessings

 

[PrairieMom]

Hi,

I’m currently considering going vegan. I have longed to be a vegetarian, and would probably be one by now if my husband wasn’t a meatatarian.

We do primarily buy our meats from local farmers who raise their animals by organic/humane standards, but I feel compelled to go further. I have always struggled with my blood sugars/weight and feel that this may be a positive step to being more healthy.

Also, I am always considered about the environmental impact of meat consumption and of the availability of the food supply worldwide. Being pro-life, I feel that environmentalism is an important component to supporting human life, and to food supply, clean water and other environmental considerations shouldn’t have to be a factor in the Great Debate. Many people make their case for veganism about animals: mine, oddly enough, is about humanity.

 

[Ginkgo100]

Firstly, I personally believe it’s not morally wrong to eat meat, the bible is clear that it’s not. I’m fine with rodeos, hunting if the kill is not wasted, fishing, et cetera. I’m a huge animal lover, I’ve volunteered in the local animal shelters and vet clinics. And for the record, I hate PETA with a passion. And I love the meat eating jokes such as “There’s plenty of room for God’s creatures… right by the mashed potatoes.” and
people
eating
tasty
aimals,
and my favourite;
poorly
educated
teen
activists.


But I think when I’m out living on my own * there’s a good chance I’ll become a vegetarian.

Here’s my reasoning;

• You can watch animal cops on animal planet, and when there’s a pet dog in bad condition in a poor enviroment, then it’s awful. In slaughter homes, in order to maximine profits animals are crowded and in tight spaces. It’s hypocritical.
• I watched a show earlier this week, a community in africa’s only source of meat is rats. I feel guilty for eating my chicken meanwhile there’s people starving and chewing rat meat. I’m in a ‘i hate america’ mood lately, the USA is so excessive and beyond greedy for the almighty dollar.
• And while it’s impossible to be completely vegan and not support the US’s consumerism, why not at least do your best to live a simplier lifestyle? The amount to grains to feed the animals is ridiculous, * and there’s people dying of hunger. Meanwhile, the obesity in this country is disheartening.
• the overall conditions of slaughters is to me a sign of how man is failing to recognize the gift of God’s creation. And trust me, I am all for man having dominion but where’s the compassion? I don’t mean every animal needs a name and hug before being shipped off, it’s just the waste.
• Violence towards animals, humans, and the earth is all one piece. The american attitude is more more more, now now now. “Jesus and the early Christians saw that the whole system of violence was madness, and that the answer was not to try to reform it, but simply remove oneself from it entirely.” - i don’t know where this quote is from, sorry.

And obviously, animals must have some importance to God.
“Are not five sparrows sold for two pence? and not one of them is forgotten in the sight of God.”
Luke 12:6**

I can’t resist noting that the reason the sparrows were being sold was to be sacrificed in the temple, at the explicit command of God.

PETA perpetuates an idea I like to call the “vegan heresy”: that humans are not exceptional among creatures, and that animals are our equals in dignity and value.

However, I must point out that being vegan does not necessarily mean one subscribes to the vegan heresy. Personal preference, food intolerance, a concern for social justice (among humans), and the desire to practice good stewardship are all acceptable reasons to avoid animal products—although the vegetarian or vegan then has the obligation, under the 5th commandment, to pay close attention to ensuring they receive proper nutrition. (On the other hand, so do meat eaters—even though their nutritional issues are different.)

A few comments I would like to make:

Not eating meat just because others don’t have any would be pointless guilt tripping, unless one offers the sacrifice up to God. Doing so would change the act from pointless to pleasing in the eyes of God. Fasting, whether from all food or only from certain foods, have a long history in the history of the Church, stretching back long before the time of Christ.

Violence toward animals is wrong not because it is an offense against the animals’ dignity, but because it offends against human dignity. Any act that indulges our base appetites for harming others diminishes the collective dignity of the whole human race. We were created for better.

I am a total animal lover—a card-carrying member of the unofficial society of Animal People. The vegan heresy has a certain appeal for all of us in the “club.” It’s important for us to remember the purpose of the creation of animals, and contrast it with the purpose of the creation of humans.

 

[royal_archer]

Does anyone have any argument for what I’ve said? Any fellow vegetarians on this site?

God bless!

A lot of what you have a problem with would fall under the umbrella of gluttony. Doing anything in excess is probably not good. It is also possible to go into excess the other way. Have you considered eating only free range or organic meat? Have you ever visited your butchers ranch and seen how the animals are treated? (I used to) Have you considered limiting meat to one meal a day or only as a side item?

I also had a vegetarian spree in High School. Bacon finnaly did that in.

 

[4elise]

Hi,

I’m currently considering going vegan. I have longed to be a vegetarian, and would probably be one by now if my husband wasn’t a meatatarian.

We do primarily buy our meats from local farmers who raise their animals by organic/humane standards, but I feel compelled to go further. I have always struggled with my blood sugars/weight and feel that this may be a positive step to being more healthy.

Also, I am always considered about the environmental impact of meat consumption and of the availability of the food supply worldwide. Being pro-life, I feel that environmentalism is an important component to supporting human life, and to food supply, clean water and other environmental considerations shouldn’t have to be a factor in the Great Debate. Many people make their case for veganism about animals: mine, oddly enough, is about humanity.

As I learned about the environmental impact it was the biggest issue for me too - join us over on the vegetarian / vegan group - we are all learning together! There are resources etc… and we are trying to support each other !! Peace

 

[4elise]

Firstly, I personally believe it’s not morally wrong to eat meat, the bible is clear that it’s not. I’m fine with rodeos, hunting if the kill is not wasted, fishing, et cetera. I’m a huge animal lover, I’ve volunteered in the local animal shelters and vet clinics. And for the record, I hate PETA with a passion. And I love the meat eating jokes such as “There’s plenty of room for God’s creatures… right by the mashed potatoes.” and
people
eating
tasty
aimals,
and my favourite;
poorly
educated
teen
activists.


But I think when I’m out living on my own * there’s a good chance I’ll become a vegetarian.

Here’s my reasoning;

• You can watch animal cops on animal planet, and when there’s a pet dog in bad condition in a poor enviroment, then it’s awful. In slaughter homes, in order to maximine profits animals are crowded and in tight spaces. It’s hypocritical.
• I watched a show earlier this week, a community in africa’s only source of meat is rats. I feel guilty for eating my chicken meanwhile there’s people starving and chewing rat meat. I’m in a ‘i hate america’ mood lately, the USA is so excessive and beyond greedy for the almighty dollar.
• And while it’s impossible to be completely vegan and not support the US’s consumerism, why not at least do your best to live a simplier lifestyle? The amount to grains to feed the animals is ridiculous, * and there’s people dying of hunger. Meanwhile, the obesity in this country is disheartening.
• the overall conditions of slaughters is to me a sign of how man is failing to recognize the gift of God’s creation. And trust me, I am all for man having dominion but where’s the compassion? I don’t mean every animal needs a name and hug before being shipped off, it’s just the waste.
• Violence towards animals, humans, and the earth is all one piece. The american attitude is more more more, now now now. “Jesus and the early Christians saw that the whole system of violence was madness, and that the answer was not to try to reform it, but simply remove oneself from it entirely.” - i don’t know where this quote is from, sorry.

And obviously, animals must have some importance to God.
“Are not five sparrows sold for two pence? and not one of them is forgotten in the sight of God.”
Luke 12:6

And isn’t it said in the bible that the lion will lay with the lamb? Perhaps vegetarian is just a good preparation of the soul, it’s a discipline and making your life less focused on oneself.

I mean, I’ve got a long way to go before I feel I’m less materialistic and such, and while I like USA’s on it’s capitalism but the excessiveness makes me want to retreat. And if you feel God in your heart, sort of leading you to that direction, how can it be wrong? I’ve looked at both sides of the coin, gave it alot of time to chew on it, and this has been something I’ve wanted to do since I was young. I wouldn’t become one when I’m living in my parents house, I can’t expect them to support the expense of it or my mom to cook special vegan meals.

Does anyone have any argument for what I’ve said? Any fellow vegetarians on this site?

God bless!**

I think it is always important to remain charitable as we are in this discussion… join us over on the Vegetarian / Vegan group - lots of resources, info etc. My daughter became a vegetarian LONG before anyone else in the family - she was only in 7th grade when she gave up red meat / then she gave up poultry in high school / in college she went vegan - it wasn’t until she returned from College and shared ALL her reasons that we began making the same choice - it was the environment - the impact on people - the resource and justice issues - as well as issues of how animals are treated in factory farms… anyway - it has been EASY - and I’d love to be a resource for anyone with questions. Peace!

 

[aspawloski4th]

Hello,
I have been Veggi plus fish, dairy, and eggs for many years now, and I am very happy with that choice. Like one of the other threads on this post I occasionally stray from this out of respect and gratitude. And sometimes when the fried chicken is first rate. lol.

I would suggest for anyone who is considering to cut red meat and pork first, and then progress to chicken fish or whatever else you choose to give up. I also match the sentiments of many on this thread who bring up concerns over health. I am not certain about controlling diabetes but that is an interesting question. Also, if you are considering a veggi diet, the most important thing is to DO THE VEGGI THING WELL :

This means research health problems that can come from depriving yourself of nutrients that are primary found in meats such as Vitamin B12 and Iron. And consume regularly a diet with all of the nutrients. It becomes quite a problem at times to get the quantity and quality of calories you need when there is not a first rate veggi cook around.

Blessings

While far from the only reason, it is a big reason why I don’t go vegitarian. I don’t have the time to do at that figuring. It’s easier to just have to hamburger and call it a day. Also tastier.

 

[tambourine]

**WARNING

**The last two threads on this topic had to be closed because of name calling, individually and collectively, personal attacks, and an overall lack of Christian charity, with both sides being equally guilty. There are already a couple of statements here which are borderline.

Please review your posts for tone, content, and adherence to forum rules before submitting them. Violators will be dealt with severely.

Thank you for your cooperation.

---

Hm, I didn’t realize that there had already been thread and been closed down. I regret adding to it! I’ll be careful.

 

[tambourine]

Those dogs aren’t bred for food. Not eating meat will not stop such vile acts.
Those people are cruel for many “reasons” not because you eat meat. nor will will they stop if you give it up.

People eat dogs in other countries, -actually the chow chow if I’m correct was bred to be food. An animal is an animal, like I’ve said before. I’m fine with eating meat but I’m not fine with animal cruelty.
I know, and I don’t wish to push my ideals on others. But I’d rather withdraw from it rather than be indifferent.

The chicken that you don’t eat isn’t going to be sent to africa.

Unfortunately. But it’s not so much as that but more the fact that they have to use a massive amount of grains to feed the cows. Like I’ve said, withdraw rather than indifference…

Why not support American consumerism? While i’m not from the U.S. I will venture to say that the U.S goverment sends a lot of aid to 3rd world countries. and where do they get that money from?

Okay, this is a mistake on my part. What I meant to say was, it’s impossible to become a complete vegan. I should’ve chosen better words, I don’t support materialism. And I’m very happy for the US to be helping 3rd world countries, I think one day I may join the peace corps to help as well.

That being said. I go vegiterian durng lent. Well i give up all meat except for fish. but after 15 days or so of fish i’m so sick of it i go vegiterian. And i can tell you, i feel great. I would probably know the benifits of being a vegiterian more than a full time vegiterian. My body just feels so much cleaner. ( if you know what i mean) But not only that i just feel more healthy. The only problem for me is. not being a full time vegiterian. my recipe ideas are rather limited. I’m just happy i’m a great fan of stir frys and rice n beans.

Haha, you’ve made a brilliant point. During lent, it’s about self discipline and sacrifice. I think that’s what I want. I’m in a generation where I’m surrounded by much apathy and materialism, the vegan lifestyle seems like it takes a peaceful stand and requires work to keep at it. =) For next lent, I’ll think I try what you did and see how it goes! Thank you for posting at my thread.

 

[tambourine]

this webstite, vegetarian paradise, is info central for someone who wants to dive in to this lifestyle
vegparadise.com/index.html
they can get somewhat political at times but you can skip the blog part, which is minimal, but most of the site is devoted to analysis of plant foods, their uses, nutritional info, recipes, sources, and is invaluable for anyone who is new and wants to learn more about vegan living and eating. For someone who does not know how to find, buy and prepare plant foods and how to build a healthy diet this is an excellent first place to start.

Thank you very much for the link!