veil and mantilla use

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Also, the picture of the pink “hat” should be removed. It is not a hat, it’s an obscene fashion statement of the coture industry. digitallife.today.com/_news/2011/04/29/6556070-facebook-cthulhu-hat-a-bold-choice-for-royal-wedding- Shame on that “princess” for using horrible fashion to make a blasphemous statement during a christian wedding ceremony.
The hat was neither obscene nor blasphemous; please learn a modicum about those terms before wantonly accusing people of committing, or promoting, obscenity or blasphemy.
Posting pictures that are copyrighted is illegal, anyway. Next time, a link to the original picture website would be more appropriate. Not cool to see on this thread.
Noncommercial use of a small, low-quality version of an image for the purpose of social commentary falls squarely within the doctrine of fair use. Please take some time to learn about it before accusing people of illegality.
 
daily covering of the head went out in the 11th C. for most of Europe, especially maidens. Head coverings were as varied nation to nation, as they were types.

Also, the picture of the pink “hat” should be removed. It is not a hat, it’s an obscene fashion statement of the coture industry. digitallife.today.com/_news/2011/04/29/6556070-facebook-cthulhu-hat-a-bold-choice-for-royal-wedding- Shame on that “princess” for using horrible fashion to make a blasphemous statement during a christian wedding ceremony.
Posting pictures that are copyrighted is illegal, anyway. Next time, a link to the original picture website would be more appropriate. Not cool to see on this thread.
Blasphemous??? It’s an ugly had I grant you that. It’s a bow. A very large bow. 🤷

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Actually, I thought the pink so called hat looked somewhat like a beribboned toilet seat set on end, and couldn’t understand what the point of it was!

When I was still performing I had to wear some pretty wild get-ups on my head, and they were made of some pretty strange materials. Plywood, in a couple of cases. A slew of different tiaras. Swan headdresses. None of them were comfortable. Try jumping, spinning, and dancing on your toes with something like that fastened to your head with about a zillion hairpins. Oh, and don’t forget to smile while you’re doing it!

Maybe twenty-two years in professional ballet accounts for my antipathy for headgear.

If I’m going to wear something on my head at church, it had better be comfortable! Even the “church hats” I see on some millinery sites look pretty difficult to wear. Ribbons, feathers, flowers, and all sorts of frou-frou. Something that looked like an academic mortarboard piled high with fruit salad. Something else that looked like a Hula hoop covered with straw and perched on someone’s head. Another Hula hoop covered with more feathers than I ever saw in “Swan Lake!” Talk about dashing into Mass trailing your frou-frou stuff up the aisle!

Then there’s the problem of real weather, a real consideration in the Northeast. It rains here, a lot. It gets windy when it isn’t raining. You get to carry your hat into church in these circumstances, or chase it through the parking lot, or wear those elegant rain bonnets over it (if you can still find them, they’re as rare as, well, lace mantillas!) So now here you are, carrying your sodden straw hat which has given up the ghost into church after retrieving it from nearly blowing under a Buick, and cramming it on your head, desperately trying to bend it back into shape and enduring the wet chill on your scalp.

A lot of the hats you see are way too formal to be worn with business-type clothing. Plus, I go to church to put myself in the presence of the Lord, not to sit there and fool with some stupid tschotsky on my head that refuses to stay in place! Talk about distracting!

Check out the website for something called physician endorsed hats, they are sun hats and many of them would be quite adaptable for wearing with “business casual” wear, which I think describes most of the fashions you see in church nowadays. Whether we like it or not, most people just don’t dress as formally as was done in the 1950’s. If you’re going to go the hat route, make sure the level of formality matches the rest of your outfit.

Maybe that is the one real practical beauty of a lace mantilla or chapel veil. They aren’t used as a fashion accessory (unless you are a flamenco dancer.) They’re unipurpose. They look equally pretty, or strange, depending on your point of view, with anything you wear, and there’s no question you’re wearing them to Mass!
 
Also, the picture of the pink “hat” should be removed. It is not a hat, it’s an obscene fashion statement of the coture industry. digitallife.today.com/_news/2011/04/29/6556070-facebook-cthulhu-hat-a-bold-choice-for-royal-wedding- Shame on that “princess” for using horrible fashion to make a blasphemous statement during a christian wedding ceremony.
Posting pictures that are copyrighted is illegal, anyway. Next time, a link to the original picture website would be more appropriate. Not cool to see on this thread.
Seriously??? :eek:

It’s a hat! Ugly, I’ll grant you that, but blasphemous and obscene???

Hardly. :rolleyes:

~Liza
 
I prefer scarves or mantillas to hats in church. I used to wear hats to my Baptist church instead and my girls wanted to put them on during service or the baby would pull them over my eyes and also, I’m 5’ 11" and a largish hat on my head blocks the view for those behind me. Plus, especially in a Baptist church, it becomes a fashion issue instead of a reverential devotional issue.
 
I prefer scarves or mantillas to hats in church. I used to wear hats to my Baptist church instead and my girls wanted to put them on during service or the baby would pull them over my eyes and also, I’m 5’ 11" and a largish hat on my head blocks the view for those behind me. Plus, especially in a Baptist church, it becomes a fashion issue instead of a reverential devotional issue.
Most of us prefer it when women wear scarves or mantillas too, if they are going to cover their heads. Hats get in the way of the people behind you. 🤷

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I prefer scarves or mantillas to hats in church… it becomes a fashion issue instead of a reverential devotional issue.
I very much agree. There is a lot of nonsense chatter about wearing a piece of lace on one’s head, as opposed to anything else. But the thing I like about wearing a piece of lace on my head is that I would never do that anywhere else. A hat I would wear elsewhere, even a scarf if it were windy or cold, but the lace I would not. It keeps it separate and apart, and I prefer that.

~Liza
 
To those who cover your heads - do you go to the Latin mass or the ordinary mass?
 
I attend the ordinary mass only, just mostly because there are not any latin masses anywhere in my area.
I have started wearing large headbands to mass, I’m going to gradually increase their size so I get used to the idea as well as the others at my parish - to try and minimise comments I might get from those who went to RCIA with me.

I asked because when I have asked previously, I was told that people only tend to cover when they go to a latin mass and it is very unusual for someone to cover when going to an ordinary mass, is that true?
 
. A hat I would wear elsewhere, even a scarf if it were windy or cold, but the lace I would not. It keeps it separate and apart, and I prefer that.

~Liza
What an excellent point! Maybe that’s what that woman meant when she said “there’s something about the lace”.
 
I have started wearing large headbands to mass, I’m going to gradually increase their size so I get used to the idea as well as the others at my parish - to try and minimise comments I might get from those who went to RCIA with me.

I asked because when I have asked previously, I was told that people only tend to cover when they go to a latin mass and it is very unusual for someone to cover when going to an ordinary mass, is that true?
True, there are more coverers in a TLM. But there are those of us who cover during ordinary masses as well. Is the Blessed Sacrament any less Blessed at an ordinary mass?🤷

Unless you went through RCIA with a bunch of folks who haven’t emotionally matured since adolescence I honestly don’t think anyone is going to say anything to your face about your headgear. They might talk amongst themselves about it for a while, but they’ll eventually move on to new gossiping fodder and you’ll be none the wiser anyway.
 
That is interesting to learn because I personally know several Orthodox Jewish women and they seem to cover all the time, not just at temple but at work and home etc. I wonder why the change then? I just assumed it had been the custom/law always of Jewish women and since they are Orthodox they continued on with it, where as more modern Jewish women do not. I’ll have to ask them about it.
Many Jewish women wear wigs as it is considered acceptable head covering by some, so you may not know they are doing it.
 
True, there are more coverers in a TLM. But there are those of us who cover during ordinary masses as well. Is the Blessed Sacrament any less Blessed at an ordinary mass?🤷

Unless you went through RCIA with a bunch of folks who haven’t emotionally matured since adolescence I honestly don’t think anyone is going to say anything to your face about your headgear. They might talk amongst themselves about it for a while, but they’ll eventually move on to new gossiping fodder and you’ll be none the wiser anyway.
It’s not the thought of people gossiping, it’s the thought of standing out when I want to do this as a private devotion. 😦 and possibly awkward questions, yes.

And no, it isn’t any less Blessed. I just heard that more people cover at the TLM masses because of the tradition of doing so.
 
Many Jewish women wear wigs as it is considered acceptable head covering by some, so you may not know they are doing it.
Unless she’s wearing a cheap sheitle, in which case it’s pretty obvious that she’s following tzniut. :rotfl:
 
It’s not the thought of people gossiping, it’s the thought of standing out when I want to do this as a private devotion.
Start with covering how you’re comfortable when you pray at home. That’s how I started. If you feel called to cover more in church the courage will come, and you could consider this a call to have a private devotion in public. 😛
 
I have started wearing large headbands to mass, I’m going to gradually increase their size so I get used to the idea as well as the others at my parish - to try and minimise comments I might get from those who went to RCIA with me.

I asked because when I have asked previously, I was told that people only tend to cover when they go to a latin mass and it is very unusual for someone to cover when going to an ordinary mass, is that true?
I should say I do cover differently during the week than I do on the weekend. On Sundays I wear a hat or a large headband. My hat does not stand out alot. It is not very big. I know I wouldn’t like it if someone in front of me had a large hat on.

During the week, I wear one of the smaller, round chapel veils, mostly because that is what I am mostly comfortable with and what I grew up with.
 
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