Veiling challenge

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No problem, I thought maybe you thought I wrote it.

Otherwise, I completely agree, though it is not for us to decide if they are being prideful or not. Only God can see the heart. We can only see the outward appearance.

People can easily accuse someone of being prideful because of many different things, when it is totally the opposite.
 
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Yes, I think one should be careful in general in searching for the sins of others - especially those that one neither has authority over nor any close association with.
 
I agree it is not our call. We are not readers of hearts. Our job is to continually examine our own PERSONAL motives, ideas, callings and hearts. Sometimes it is good to hear and truly listen to the ways others see things to help us understand how we are living out Christ’s gospel in the world and how brightly our light is being shown to those around us. It is also our job to continuously strive to see the best in others and not assume ill intentions.
 
To the best of my knowledge, women are still are required to cover their heads when in a private audience with the Pope.
 
The Holy scripture, does not demand ‘veils’ upon any woman.

Read I Corinthians 11 carefully. Especially read I Corinthians 11:15. Naturally, the woman’s “hair” is her “covering”. Spiritually, her husband (house-band) is her “covering”, being her “head”.
 
We don’t do things only because they’re in Scripture. Many, many women feel ‘called’, yes called, to veil. Who are we to stand in judgment of their own personal devotions?
 
Thank you, I feel the same. I don’t get why we would speak that harsh against anyone’s personal devotion or faith practice.
 
alice24 said:
Thank you, I feel the same. I don’t get why we would speak that harsh against anyone’s personal devotion or faith practice.
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If a woman has the desire to cover her head in church, I don’t care. What I object to is the fact that it’s termed a “calling” and that some believe it shows they are more holy. They may very well be more holy than someone who doesn’t cover her head, but again, they may not be. That’s between the woman and God.
 
Literally no woman in this entire thread who veils said that it made them feel more holy than anyone else. And why cant it be a calling? Why can’t God ‘call’ me to do it? It seems such a silly thing to quibble over. If that’s how we feel, then that’s how we feel.
 
Yes, if you feel that way, you do.

I was just stating how I feel. I would never insult anyone for doing it. It’s a personal choice.

It is silly to quibble over.
 
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And why cant it be a calling? Why can’t God ‘call’ me to do it? It seems such a silly thing to quibble over. If that’s how we feel, then that’s how we feel.
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I think there are “Callings” and then there are “callings”.

A true “Calling” is to the religious life and/or clerical life. While it is common to say one is “called” to the single life or to marriage, the Church does not recognize these as Callings but rather as natural states that are subject to change.

We do not generally suppose that one makes public vow to cover one’s head in a church. At one point we considered donning a head covering to be a natural thing for a woman to do almost anytime she was in public, let alone in a place of worship. That is not the case in Western culture.

One should be careful about using language in a way that is different from how the Church uses it.
 
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Exactly. To me it was a calling not a Calling.

It was literally ‘this is something I want you to do’. I never asked why. I just listened. Through the years I’ve tried to figure out the why but honestly I don’t 100% understand, even now. I have my own rationalizations but I dunno.

My Catholic journey from the start has been about just listening though. I came from agnosticism to blind obedience and as a result my knowledge base isn’t as large as it could be. ROFL! Doing my best to fix that. The blind obedience doesn’t work so well when people call you to task.
 
Actually there was one that did several posts back.

This poster went as far as to call a woman who is not veiled as being offensive to God.
 
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Seriously??? I missed that!

Totally not the right attitude. Was it even a woman? I’ll have to go back and try to find it.
 
I’m not sure if it was a woman. This poster also mentioned that women who veil show that they are in subjection to their husbands and this prevents the angels from overstepping their bounds.
 
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I caught that part. I missed the part about it making women holier than everyone else. I decided not to engage because honestly how does one respond to that?

Ugh. Sorry. That was on me for not reading properly.
 
I think that poster was from an Eastern tradition. (Not sure if Eastern Catholic or Orthodox.)

I suspect that poster does not think that highly of Latin Catholicism in general.
 
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It’s hard in CAF because one never knows if they’re talking to a fellow Catholic, an anti-Catholic or someone from another faith. It can muddy the waters when we’re having discussions that are about Catholic issues.
 
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This practice continued into the early 20th century, when only then (after the 1930s) some traction caught on to lose the veil, when finally in the 60’s after the women’s liberation movement (and introduction of Feminism), the practice in the US had been practically lost.
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It was once thought that a women that did not wear a hat was going against society and not just at church. People blame women’s liberation movement but it had little to do with why women stopped wearing a hat. Men use to wear hats as well and I can remember my poor father lamenting that he could not find hats anymore. Women became more active and participating in sports. Fashion changed and the idea that a woman without a hat was immoral changed. No longer did men and women wear hats but they stopped wearing dress gloves. I don’t know any women who thought they veiled but they wore a hat. Veiled was associated with the sisters, or being married or the chapel veil that were encouraged by the sisters for you to carry so you didn’t have to resort to the Kleenex.
 
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