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Dan_Daly said:
What do you make of Pope Leo XIII’s view, which are part of the teachings of the Church on the topic?

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We could also go to the Dark Ages when people were Christian/Catholic and have wives as virtual slaves and property.
 
Technically it is still required that women veil, they just don’t do it out of a spirit of modernism that has so crept into the Church. In the 1983 Code of Canon law it said that if there was a question about something that the Code of Canon law did not address, then refer to 1917 Code of Canon law for the answer which required veiling. Catholic women began to burn their veils when the sexual revolution came about and they were burning their bras. Here is a very good article about veiling: fisheaters.com/theveil.html . My wife veils at all Masses, even Novus Ordo because it is Jesus in the Eucharist and he deserves the same amount of respect at Novus Ordo Mass as he does Latin Mass.
 
Dan_Daly said:
Very well said. I do think the “owner-manager” analogy might rub some the wrong way, as a marriage is not a business relationship, but I think I understand your point, and agree with it. \

The Holy Ghost gave us the best marriage analogy- Christ and the Church. Another that rings true in many ways is that the husband is the head of the family and the wife is the heart.

I was recently reading the booklet from TAN about St. Raphael. Regarding the duties of husband and wife, it made a very good point-

If people had a proper understanding of a wife’s duty to submit and a husband’s duty to love, we would have much healtheir marriages.

Before entering into marriage a woman should ask herself “can I submit to and obey this man for the rest of my life?” and a man should ask himself “can I selflessly love this woman forever, even to lay down my life?” The answer to both should be yes, and if it’s it is not, they shouldn’t get married.

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I’m glad you understand my analogy. A marriage is not a business arrangement. It is a covenant. A wife, like a business manager, is required to make day to day decisions regarding the welfare of her family. A loving husband trusts her decisions as a good business owner trusts the decisions of his manager. Neither micromanages. Communication is important in both business and especially within a family. A good manager will keep the business owner informed of problems faced by the business. The owner is responsible for the final decision.
Both husband and wife sacrifice for one another and for the family. A man who loves his wife will not ask her to do anything that is contrary to her conscience. The relationship between husband and wife develops over time, each doing what he or she can to build up the other. It is Church teaching to see the man as head, and the wife as heart.
 
paul11b said:
Technically it is still required that women veil, they just don’t do it out of a spirit of modernism that has so crept into the Church. In the 1983 Code of Canon law it said that if there was a question about something that the Code of Canon law did not address, then refer to 1917 Code of Canon law for the answer which required veiling. Catholic women began to burn their veils when the sexual revolution came about and they were burning their bras. Here is a very good article about veiling: fisheaters.com/theveil.html . My wife veils at all Masses, even Novus Ordo because it is Jesus in the Eucharist and he deserves the same amount of respect at Novus Ordo Mass as he does Latin Mass.
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I would seriously suggest you do not recommend anyone here on CAF to fisheaters or other such forums.
 
TrueLight said:
Why?

There is a lot of good information on there. Very well organized.
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So do you subscribe to the views posted there? CAF is about Catholicism and the true teachings of the Church. Recommending a site where warped views are espoused as the truth would I am sure not be acceptable. Perhaps you should ask the moderator?
 
severus68 said:
So do you subscribe to the views posted there? CAF is about Catholicism and the true teachings of the Church. Recommending a site where warped views are espoused as the truth would I am sure not be acceptable. Perhaps you should ask the moderator?
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I don’t see the need for ME to ask the moderator because I didn’t post the link, but I have seen the site linked to before.

When I first started exploring Catholicism, I found the postings on how to make the sign of the cross and the postings on genuflections and bows, etc to be extremely helpful. Also the postings on the Rosary, Feast Days and other things.

I had a question about genuflections and someone posted a link on CAF to Fisheaters in response to that question. I had never heard of Fisheaters before that because I was so new.

I don’t agree with everything posted on FishEaters, but I don’t agree with everything posted on CAF either.
 
paul11b said:
Technically it is still required that women veil, they just don’t do it out of a spirit of modernism that has so crept into the Church. In the 1983 Code of Canon law it said that if there was a question about something that the Code of Canon law did not address, then refer to 1917 Code of Canon law for the answer which required veiling.** Catholic women began to burn their veils when the sexual revolution came about and they were burning their bras.** Here is a very good article about veiling: fisheaters.com/theveil.html . My wife veils at all Masses, even Novus Ordo because it is Jesus in the Eucharist and he deserves the same amount of respect at Novus Ordo Mass as he does Latin Mass.
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This is not my recollection. I was never a bra- burner or involved in any way with the sexual revolution. It was just one of those Catholic traditions that faded from practice during the '60’s. I am a devout Catholic who loves my Catholic Faith. A spirit of modernism has nothing to do with my not veiling now. I do see the growing desire to veil amonst young women as a positive sign. My daughter and her daughter are veiling now. And she took some time to think about it so that she would be doing it for the right reasons. From my perspective, I think it is a time when many young people are proud to be Catholic and this is one way of showing it.
 
TrueLight said:
I don’t see the need for ME to ask the moderator because I didn’t post the link, but I have seen the site linked to before.

When I first started exploring Catholicism, I found the postings on how to make the sign of the cross and the postings on genuflections and bows, etc to be extremely helpful. Also the postings on the Rosary, Feast Days and other things.

I had a question about genuflections and someone posted a link on CAF to Fisheaters in response to that question. I had never heard of Fisheaters before that because I was so new.

I don’t agree with everything posted on FishEaters, but I don’t agree with everything posted on CAF either.
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Since you did not agree with me, I asked you to ask the person who would know best the rules.

You can get information on all those matters on CAF or elsewhere.

There is a big difference between CAF and sites like fisheaters. On CAF, if someone posted something something extreme which violated the true teachings of the Church, that would never be accepted and would be dealt with swiftly. You do not have to agree with everything posted here but no one can get away with blatant untruths. That is not what happens on such sites.

I do not think it is acceptable to support sites like that and link them in any way with CAF.
 
severus68 said:
There is a big difference between CAF and sites like fisheaters. On CAF, if someone posted something something extreme which violated the true teachings of the Church…
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The true teachings of the Church…

Barring the Sede postings in the forum itself, which are not acceptable as per the site’s rules, a lot of the articles on that site espouse beliefs of traditional catholics, which see them as teachings of the Church, so…
 
severus68 said:
So do you subscribe to the views posted there? CAF is about Catholicism and the true teachings of the Church. Recommending a site where warped views are espoused as the truth would I am sure not be acceptable. Perhaps you should ask the moderator?
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What is wrong with the fisheaters forum? I like both forums. The fisheaters forum does NOT teach any warped views.
 
TrueLight said:
The true teachings of the Church…

Barring the Sede postings in the forum itself, which is worse, a lot of the articles on that site espouse beliefs of traditional catholics, which see them as teachings of the Church, so…
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I thing we have to be very careful with who we associate with, that we don’t cause scandal or appear to be supporting people who espouse views inconsistent with Church teaching, in direct opposition to Church teaching, or who suppose that they know better than the Holy Father.

Many time, I have made a statement or asked a question and someone replied with, "So, you believe <fill_in_the_blank>???!!! At best, it is a poor assumption, that because I was with someome, I agree with everything they believe or because I was in a store, I approve of everything they sell. Wallmart sells rolling papers and condoms and I buy my soap there but it doesn’t mean that I support them selling contraceptives. I hate when people do that. It was really dissapointing to see that done to you.

But we have to be careful and I just don’t cross that line. If there is any chance that a group, website, or even my own friends are crossing that line, I leave. I have had to express my views to some close friends in the parking lot of the Church right after Mass when they started talking about their own bishop. Fisheaters has some good info, but they knowing provide a forum for people who openly deny that the Holy Father is a valid Pope. I won’t cross that line.

-Tim-
 
paul11b said:
What is wrong with the fisheaters forum? I like both forums. The fisheaters forum does NOT teach any warped views.
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Many there are sedevacantists.

They believe for whatever reason that the Holy Father is not really the Pope, and that the office of Pope is currently vacant.

There are many websites and groups which advertise themselves as “Traditionalist” and are rally sedevacantist, either openly or covertly. I wouldn’t touch any of that with the proverbial ninety nine and a half foot pole.

The difference here is that sedevacantist posts are against the rules here. They are not at other websites. The former is true to the authority of the Holy Father. The latter is not.

-Tim-
 
TrueLight said:
The true teachings of the Church…

Barring the Sede postings in the forum itself, which is worse, a lot of the articles on that site espouse beliefs of traditional catholics, which see them as teachings of the Church, so…
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I have noted that a few topics from such sites have appeared on CAF. I am not saying that that has anything to do with you. The way they are responded to there is extremely different from how they are here and such threads do not remain open long here. CAF has a Tradional Catholicism subforum as you know. Why is that not sufficient for you? There is Tradition and there is so called tradition.
 
severus68 said:
. CAF has a Tradional Catholicism subforum as you know. Why is that not sufficient for you?
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Oh I’m sorry. Am I only allowed on one Traditional forum/subforum/site?

What a question. LOL.

There are certain topics even on this subforum that are not allowed just because they eventually get very heated.

Again, barring the stuff that is anti-Church teachings and anti-Pope, a lot of the articles on fisheaters, reflect the beliefs espoused at traditional parishes I attend.
 
TrueLight said:
Oh I’m sorry. Am I only allowed on one Traditional forum/subforum/site?

What a question. LOL.

There are certain topics even on this subforum that are not allowed just because they eventually get very heated.

Again, barring the stuff that is anti-Church teachings and anti-Pope, a lot of the articles on fisheaters, reflect the beliefs espoused at traditional parishes I attend.
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I am glad I have given you some amusement, life is short after all. You can choose which forum to go to where others share your beliefs. However, recommending such sites to those who have no idea is not acceptable.
 
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