Veneration of saints/Mary

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I’m having a discussion with a few Protestant friends, and one of them asked me to define what I meant by “venerate.” It is surprisingly hard to find an actual definition for it. Can any of you give a reasonable definition (preferably one definition that covers both veneration of saints and of Mary)?
 
You honor, respect, and acknowledge the holiness that someone else has managed to achieve in their lifetime, and you look to them for inspiration in our own relationship with God.
 
From New Advent:
Dulia

(Greek doulia; Latin servitus), a theological term signifying the honour paid to the saints, while latria means worship given to God alone, and hyperdulia the veneration offered to the Blessed Virgin Mary. St. Augustine ( X.2City of God) distinguishes two kinds of servitus: “one which is due to men . . . which in Greek is called dulia; the other, latria, which is the service pertaining to the worship of God”. St. Thomas (II-II:103:3) bases the distinction on the difference between God’s supreme dominion and that which one man may exercise over another. Catholic theologians insist that the difference is one of kind and not merely of degree; dulia and latria being as far apart as are the creature and the Creator. Leibniz, though a Protestant, recognizes the “discrimen infinitum atque immensum between the honour which is due to God and that which is shown to the saints, the one being called by theologians, after Augustine’s example, latria, the other dulia”; and he further declares that this difference should “not only be inculcated in the minds of hearers and learners, but should also be manifested as far as possible by outward signs” (Syst. theol., p. 184). A further distinction is made between dulia in the absolute sense, the honour paid to persons, and dulia in the relative sense, the honour paid to inanimate objects, such as images and relics. With regard to the saints, dulia includes veneration and invocation; the former being the honour paid directly to them, the latter having primarily in view the petitioner’s advantage
 
midori: Thank you very much, I think that’s exactly what I was looking for.
Tantum ergo and hazcompat: Thank you, but I already found that information, and it is not exactly a definition, which was what I needed.
 
Well, it comes down to honor (or as the Brits say, “honour”.

Like “Honor your father and mother”. There are a lot of things that are encompassed there. Obviously we owe our parents thanks for our existence. For caring for us, for doing their best to raise us. We owe them the kind of ‘honor’ that means that we RESPECT them. We are grateful to them for what they do and have done for us.

I think many of your Protestant friends honor, for example, St. Paul. They respect him as a man, as an apostle, as a writer and a theologian; they think of him as a good example of a Christian, even a great Christian.

This might be a good place to start. If they at all respect St. Paul as a good example of a Christian, then they should understand that Catholics respect him that same way. . .that this is ‘honoring’ him or VENERATING him as an example of a good Christian whom we should try to emulate and who we respect for what he has taught us as Christians. And we can respect other good Christians too. (saints and Mary)

Does that help?
 
I’m having a discussion with a few Protestant friends, and one of them asked me to define what I meant by “venerate.” It is surprisingly hard to find an actual definition for it. Can any of you give a reasonable definition (preferably one definition that covers both veneration of saints and of Mary)?
Honor. 🤷
 
The definition of veneration is easy enough and well covered in this thread. Where I encounter issues is when Protestants point to actions of veneration, i.e. Catholics praying before statues of Mary and the saints, praying the Hail Mary or having statues and pictures of Jesus, Mary and the saints around your home.

I’m not as effective as I should be in these discussions, any advice?
 
Sacred imagery helps with focus.

If I’m running around vacuuming, folding laundry, chasing a baby, and otherwise being absorbed in my daily minutiae, how likely am I to call to mind something holy or elevated? But what if I have to walk past a crucifix on a wall? A picture on a shelf? What if I have a medal on my keyring?

It might be for a brief moment, or it might inspire me to take more out of my day, but that crucifix/picture/medal/whatever is likely to make me momentarily think of something worthwhile. Maybe a vignette in the life of Christ that was brought up at church the other day and digesting in the back of my mind. Or maybe something as broad as the Incarnation or the Passion in general. It might make me think of an episode in the life of a saint, and give me something to model my own relationship with God after. Someone’s generosity, or humility, or patience, or faith and trust, or magnificent lifetime of good works. Or it might trigger a particular prayer. Those are examples just from wandering around my house— statuary or stained glass windows in a church might inspire more sustained, deliberate periods of prayer or contemplation. Are any of those bad things?

The same thing happens when I pass by the books on my bookshelf. I see a title, and I think of something inside that book that stuck with me. All you need is that little mental trigger. No one would argue that having theological books on your shelf is bad, right? But is there much difference between having a book that details someone else’s walk with God, which you think of when you see the book, versus seeing a picture of them and thinking of the same thing, versus seeing a statue of them and thinking of them yet again?
 
I’m having a discussion with a few Protestant friends, and one of them asked me to define what I meant by “venerate.” It is surprisingly hard to find an actual definition for it. Can any of you give a reasonable definition (preferably one definition that covers both veneration of saints and of Mary)?
Mark:

From the Oxford Dictionaries:

regard with great respect; revere:
Mother Teresa is venerated as a saint
Mary is a mother: the mother of Jesus God, no less. Why should she not be greatly revered and respected?

God bless,
jd
 
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