Venezuela - The New Cuba

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Open hatred against anything spiritual
By Jürgen Liminski

As the conversation moves to the topic of politics, the bishop takes his cellular phone out of his pocket, turns it off and removes the battery. Now he can be sure that he can’t be overheard. Since the meetings between Venezuela’s president Hugo Chávez and the Cuban dictator Fidel Castro over the past few years, he says he can sense the government in Caracas toughening its stance vis-à-vis the church. During the past year, the government has singled out the bishops for attacks and has been trying to incite the people against the shepherds. In public speeches, Chávez reviles the church for being corrupt and the bishops for being “pigs”, according to the cleric, and is trying to set up his own national church. He has not managed to do so yet because the people have no faith in such initiatives. But in individual cases, he has managed to “buy” some priests. Overall, there’s a climate of intimidation. Some bishops can’t travel on their own anymore, and certainly not at night.

Little is known about all this in Rome, and nothing in Europe. Here, two main aspects are known of Venezuela: It has a lot of oil and good rum. And that is enough for most politicians involved in foreign affairs. …

The new, old president Hugo Chávez has a masterplan. He emulates his idol, Fidel Castro, and wants to turn the country into a communist dictatorship extending across the entire region, i.e. including Colombia, Peru, and Bolivia, in the name of liberation – in Latin America, this is always carried out in the name of the historical hero of independence, Simón Bolívar. The plan is to extend his vision across the entire subcontinent via the new leftist governments in Brazil and Argentina. That may seem presumptuous. But Chávez has money, lots of money. In the past year alone, Venezuela exported oil worth 24 billion dollars to North America; daily production is equivalent to three million barrels – almost as much as Saudi Arabia’s. The state-owned oil company Citgo disposes over 14,000 petrol stations in the United States and is the second-biggest supplier there. This also explains in part Washington’s patience with the ruler in Venezuela, who buys his people and is giving an international rebirth to socialism.

Revolution according to the “proven” Cuban pattern
The pattern for the “Bolivarian Revolution” is also well-known. Chávez knows it from his brother, who gave him extra lessons in Marxism and is now the ambassador in Cuba. First, you ensure the population’s basic needs are met – food, health, education – then you restrict the liberties and finally you export the revolution from the basis of a solid dictatorship. This is how it’s happening: Chávez is buying his people with interest-free credits for cars, furniture, consumer goods…

Cuban experts, above all medical personnel, distribute medicines in first-aid stations and are now also beginning to indoctrinate people engaged in education; more than a thousand Venezuelan teachers have already completed courses in Cuba. The next step could be strangling or confiscating the catholic schools. TV and radio are mostly synchronized with the regime. The only opposition comes from parts of the press and the catholic church. Its credibility is a thorn in the eye of the regime. Leading bishops are electronically bugged and shadowed. Anonymous threats and open insults are no longer a rarity either. Officials stoke open hatred against anything spiritual. Up to now, only the Adenauer Foundation and the international aid organization “Kirche in Not” (Church in Need) have reacted to the Cubanisation and stealthily increasing dictatorship in Venezuela. The foreign policy establishment in Brussels, Berlin, Rome, Paris, and London, on the other hand, is sleeping the sleep of the just. It is like at the times of the “Speckpater” (Bacon Priest): There’s a church in need and “Church in Need” sees it and goes there.

vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200503030428
 
The sad thing is that often not only clerics, but the local Church supports such leftist governments to their own demise, as good fellow travelers they are.

I’m from Brazil and got sick and tired from going to Mass to listen to a rehash of the Workers Party press releases, now the governing party. Of course, Jesus was kept out as the Revolution took precedence.

I’m certain it was just like this in Venezuela until Chavez started showing what he’s come for. Now the bishops pretend that they didn’t in any way encourage and lay the ground for such populist socialism which’s chocking them.

The day that bishops, in Latin America and everywhere, start behaving like shepherds instead of “service providers” will Jesus be recognized as the Head. Until then, may He protect us from the gates of hell.

:blessyou:
 
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Augustine:
The sad thing is that often not only clerics, but the local Church supports such leftist governments to their own demise, as good fellow travelers they are.

I’m from Brazil and got sick and tired from going to Mass to listen to a rehash of the Workers Party press releases, now the governing party. Of course, Jesus was kept out as the Revolution took precedence.

I’m certain it was just like this in Venezuela until Chavez started showing what he’s come for. Now the bishops pretend that they didn’t in any way encourage and lay the ground for such populist socialism which’s chocking them.

The day that bishops, in Latin America and everywhere, start behaving like shepherds instead of “service providers” will Jesus be recognized as the Head. Until then, may He protect us from the gates of hell.

:blessyou:
Your post echoes a letter from my past; a dear Parisian friend of mine told me his entire family had ceased going to Mass all together because some years back all that was being preached from the pulpit was communism in various forms disguised as “church belief” and that his prediction was that someday the bishops of France would rue their words and the men they put in the pulpit. Well it’s not exactly a flourishing Catholic world over there now. And I must say there are various “orders” who have totally confused their work with their politics elsewhere in the world and have totally compromised the position of the church because of it.
 
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HagiaSophia:
Your post echoes a letter from my past; a dear Parisian friend of mine told me his entire family had ceased going to Mass all together because some years back all that was being preached from the pulpit was communism in various forms disguised as “church belief” and that his prediction was that someday the bishops of France would rue their words and the men they put in the pulpit.
Exactly the same strategy world-wide. And it is not a coincidence! Read the communist Antonio Gramsci and you’ll see it spelled out.

And it’s quite effective: in Brazil, where over 90% of the population used to be Catholic 40 or 50 years ago, it’s now down to less than 80%, mostly due to evangelical protestants.

Come Emmanuel!

:blessyou:
 
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Augustine:
Exactly the same strategy world-wide. And it is not a coincidence! Read the communist Antonio Gramsci and you’ll see it spelled out.

And it’s quite effective: in Brazil, where over 90% of the population used to be Catholic 40 or 50 years ago, it’s now down to less than 80%, mostly due to evangelical protestants.

Come Emmanuel!

:blessyou:
Martin in The Jesuits documents the involvement with Cardenal and what it has cost in lives, liberty and to his order. One could almost weep as he gave us the “inside” view of how they worked and used the Church until they finally felt safe enough to be “anti church” and now Cardenal seeking office again has sought rapprochement with the Vatican. Bah humbug!

And Leonardo Boff sits safely in his teaching chair whilst the poison he set loose runs like a flu through the country, all the while mouthing sanctimony for the poor.

It always brings to mind Dennis Prager’s wonderful column about what the second commandment includes - that many will be held to account by God for giving Him a bad name and doing things in His name which indeed had nothing to do with God at all.There are indeed wolves set lose among the flock.
 
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HagiaSophia:
And Leonardo Boff sits safely in his teaching chair whilst the poison he set loose runs like a flu through the country, all the while mouthing sanctimony for the poor.
Boff said it clearly:
The time for the Brazilian revolution has arrived. The sowing is over, it’s now time for the harvest.
Or his accolate, “Friar” Betto (never mind he was excomunicated and defrocked), now holding an office as advisor to the Brazilian president, on Cuba:
God’s Kingdom on Earth.
God, help us!

:blessyou:
 
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. 34 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, "Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? 38 And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? 39 And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?’ 40 And the king will answer them, "Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, F189 you did it to me.’ 41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, "You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, "Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Matthew 25
 
Matt25,

Well done,

You will know by now that the Gospel is generally ignored by some of the pundits who cut and paste in this section of the forum.

Hugo Chavez is the peoples hero. The poor love him because for the first time the nations wealth is being placed at the disposal of the majority. The wealthy elite are in retreat after their failed criminal efforts to overthrow the popular mandate. Consequently child poverty is being driven down, more schools and hospitals are being built. Social cohesion in the barrios has been strengthened through the Bolivarian initiatives. Its beautiful to see.

Victory to the Bolivarian revolution
 
Sophia, Matt & Leonardo some info for you:

Venezuelan bishops demand “authentic dialogue” between government and opposition

Caracas, Jan. 14, 2005 (CNA) - Concluding their 83rd Plenary Assembly, the Bishops Conference of Venezuela issued an energetic call to the government and the opposition to establish an “authentic dialogue”, warning that “vengeance, exclusion and abuse will not lead to the building of a humane, just, united and fraternal Venezuela.”

In their statement entitled, “Dialogue and forgiveness for peace,” the bishops maintained that “one gesture” that would allow the reconciliation process to begin would be for President Hugo Chavez to pardon all prisoners who are being held “for political reasons.” Archbishop Diego Padron of Cumana said, “We will immediately send a letter to the President, formalizing this proposal for a pardon.”

The bishops also criticized newly reformed laws regarding the media, calling the new regulations a “threat to freedom” and warning that “a society in which the freedom of opinion and of dissent is restricted, even legally, in which the sharp decisions of the majority are imposed without leaving any room for the exchanging and combining proposals, closes the path to truth, which is not a monopoly of any one sector.”

The bishops also expressed their alarm at the “excessive concentration of power” in the Executive branch, “which is opening the door to a dictatorship under the appearance of legality.”

Archbishop Padron said the statements by the bishops were not meant to signify a new confrontation between the Church and the government of Hugo Chavez. “We are not trying to take sides; we are pointing out attitudes and errors that must be corrected.”

catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=2840

Also read:
The Unpopular Populist

After months of steadily escalating conflict with the Catholic hierarchy, President Chavez finds himself more isolated than ever.
from: Catholic World News:
cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=30081
 
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leonardoboff:
for the first time the nations wealth is being placed at the disposal of the majority.
AFAIK, theft is not defended in the Gospels…

:blessyou:
 
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Augustine:
AFAIK, theft is not defended in the Gospels…
Let’s see, “steal from the rich, keep most of it for yourself and your thugs, and give some to the poor to keep them on your side. If anyone complains reposses their assets and throw them in jail.” … let me check…

Nope, your right, it isn’t.
 
It’s utterly amazing what some people will say to defend communists.
 
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StJeanneDArc:
It’s utterly amazing what some people will say to defend communists.
Even falsify the Church social teaching! Hey, even Howard Dean said that the DNC’s social goals are the same as the Church’s! Right!

It’s like saying that the Cuban revolution was the establishment of Heaven on earth! Wait, Boff has already said that. Never mind 15% of the population having prefered to take their chances with sharks than staying in Communist hell.

And even if there’s any concidence in part or in matter, in no part of the Church’s teaching does it say that the government has to have a monopoly on social services. As a matter of fact, private charities spend much more in services than the 40% that the government does.

:blessyou:
 
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StJeanneDArc:
It’s utterly amazing what some people will say to defend communists.
You can never confront a liberal left with facts - drives’em over the edge.
 
WE’VE HEARD THIS SONG BEFORE:

If any doubts remained about President Hugo Chávez’s plans for Venezuela’s destiny, they have been erased by his decree to “rescue” unproductive lands and assign them to “groups of the population” and “organized communities” from rural areas. Private property is history, so Chávez is proceeding to strengthen the failed agrarian reforms of socialist Venezuelan governments from the 1960s, '70s and '80s, renaming them the “agrarian revolution.”

The new Land Law authorizes the government to expropriate land that bureaucrats consider underutilized and to do the same in those cases in which the government discovers an error in a title of land. Venezuelans already know the modus operandi of Chávez’s bureaucracy. In trying to obtain a birth certificate, an identification card, a passport, a certified copy of any legal document and even in registering the elderly to receive pensions, each “mistake” represents a potential source of income for each official, and at the same time, a delay of several months for each citizen’s request.

hat tip
 
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leonardoboff:
Matt25,

Hugo Chavez is the peoples hero. The poor love him because for the first time the nations wealth is being placed at the disposal of the majority. The wealthy elite are in retreat after their failed criminal efforts to overthrow the popular mandate. Consequently child poverty is being driven down, more schools and hospitals are being built. Social cohesion in the barrios has been strengthened through the Bolivarian initiatives. Its beautiful to see.

Victory to the Bolivarian revolution
Sorry,

But you don’t know what you are talking about. I am sitting in Venezuela right now. This is not a “peoples” revolution. This was military. Chavez is ex-military and has a military backing. The people live in fear of his military and quasi-military.

Health care is bad. The only change has been the importation of doctors from Cuba to work in poor areas that had no resident doctor. Why did they need to import doctors? Because Venezuela has no substantial way to train doctors of its own. Chavez has reallocated money that used to go to the education system to his other causes. Many poor people cannot afford to send their children to school here because even in public schools, parents must buy uniforms and school supplies. Public colleges used to be free for the poor but now everyone pays tuition. The public school system used to be superior. Middle class families who used to send their kids to public school, now send them to private and Catholic schools because the qualitly of education has so deteriorated.

Education has not increased and although some elementary schools have been built, there is less funding for the universities so they are unable to staff the schools with trained teachers.

What you call “social cohesion” in the barrios is a system of neighborhood leaders who distribute money to people for such things as wearing Chavez T-shirts. These same “leaders” report any anti-Chavez activity or sentiment in much the same way as the Communist informers did/do in China. Registered members of the MVR party (Chavez’s) are eligible for interest-free loans and other monetary incentives that other citizens cannot access. Most democracies would call this buying votes.

The middle class is fleeing in droves. Chavez fired thousands of people from jobs in companies related to the oil industry and other government owned companies. These people lost their jobs and the Chavez government took their supposedly legally protected pensions. Why?? Because they signed petitions asking for a recall election. These people are not just unemployed, they are unable to collect unemployment, health care and are blacklisted from working for other companies in Venezuela. These were not wealthy industrialists. These were engineers, accountants, refinery workers etc. The wealthy aren’t in retreat - it’s the middle class that are leaving. Industries that traditionally hired thousands such as tourism and hotels are laying off more thousands of employees and small businesses are being abandoned. Stores are empty everywhere. The one industry that is thriving is foreign language schools. Anyone who can afford to is learning English, Italian or German and looking for work in the US, Canada, and Europe. Thousands of engineers have gone to Canada alone.

The wealthy were not behind the referendum election. Most of the wealthy have been living abroad and weren’t even allowed to vote. This was a middle class reaction. In fact, the lack of anyone able to put a lot of money into the opposition effort is probably why it failed.

Chavez’s government has reallocated money that used to go for infrastructure such as roads and public buildings. He spent millions of dollars worth of government money to defeat the oposition in the recall election. His supporters opened fire on voters in oposition areas and on demonstrators. When the courts were shown video tape of the shootings clearly identifing the shooters, Chavez told the court that the video was produced in Hollywood and the shooters went free.

He changed the constitution so that he could personally remove and replace supreme court judges.

Virtually everything is imported since the government has done nothing to support industries other than oil. The poor are becoming more oppressed since the Bolivar is continuing it’s devaluation spiral (going down again last week) making it more and more difficult to purchase those imported products. This is a country with vast natural resources but even basic food products are imported - mostly from Colombia.

con’t.
 
continued from above

Besides the law being passed that will allow people virtual squatter’s rights on “underutilized” land, there are already laws that allowed squatters to occupy abandoned buildings. These buildings, mostly partially constructed, are everywhere. They were abandoned when the economy tanked. So now poor people live in these buildings with no sanitation or even stable construction. They have electriciy because they tap into power from the utility poles. This causes frequents shut downs in electricity. Public utitilities are also in very poor shape due to the reallocation of funds by the Chavez government.

Another law recently passed made it a crime for media to criticize the government.

While Venezuela is for the most part a safe country to travel in, recently it has become dangerous to move in the area close to the Colombian border. Colombian guerillas are increasingly operating on both sides of the border. Chavez has voiced support for the guerillas and is at odds with the Colombian government for that support which has included keeping the Venezuelan military away, as well as monetary aid.

As if that wasn’t all bad enough, Chavez has called for legalization of abortion.

I doubt you will ever hear pro-Chavez homilies in Church here. Chavez has been openly hostile to the Church even though over 90% of the Country is Catholic. Several months back, one of his quasi-military groups smashed and desecrated several Marian statues. This county has a huge devotion to the Virgin Mary, even amoung nominal Catholics.
 
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