Venial & Mortal Sin??? I'm confused...

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Why wouldn’t you want to go to your own minister? The the Church says under certain circumstances the Sacraments can be given to non-Catholics.

If this is something you wish to do I would recommend speaking to the priest first.
I’m more just asking out of simple curiosity. The thing I like about the CC is that you have a level of anonymity, correct? The Lutheran church doesn’t have confessionals…so it’s like face-to-face conversation…awkward. Lol :ehh:

Peace and blessings,
Julie
 
I’m more just asking out of simple curiosity. The thing I like about the CC is that you have a level of anonymity, correct? The Lutheran church doesn’t have confessionals…so it’s like face-to-face conversation…awkward. Lol :ehh:

Peace and blessings,
Julie
After Vatican II face-to-face confession became more common among Catholics. As a convert, I personally prefer face-to-face, it is more natural and I am able to make a better more thorough confession.
 
I’m more just asking out of simple curiosity. The thing I like about the CC is that you have a level of anonymity, correct? The Lutheran church doesn’t have confessionals…so it’s like face-to-face conversation…awkward. Lol :ehh:

Peace and blessings,
Julie
That really depends on where you go. For example, where I live, there are confessionals, but at times the Priest will talk to you face to face in the pew. When I was younger, we had a few Priests administer confession to us in a couple empty rooms in the library, but it was, again, a face to face conversation. It really depends on where you go. However, the Confessional is usually there.
 
I’m more just asking out of simple curiosity. The thing I like about the CC is that you have a level of anonymity, correct? The Lutheran church doesn’t have confessionals…so it’s like face-to-face conversation…awkward. Lol :ehh:

Peace and blessings,
Julie
Just to clarify…Face to face is perhaps mor common now, but behind the screen is still provided for and allowed.

Peace
James
 
Hmm…that just seems like it would be so uncomfortable…face to face, I mean. :hmmm: I’ve never confessed sins to a person before, so perhaps it’s just a matter of me not being accustomed to it.
 
That is the part I am not so sure about. I was under the impression that you are forgiven the moment you make a sincere act of perfect contrition. Basically, this how I understood things:
  1. You commit a mortal sin
  2. You make an act of perfect contrition with intention to go to confession ASAP
  3. God immediately absolves you of your mortal sin
  4. You go to confession but the mortal sin is none-the-less already forgiven
No non-normative circumstances are required, like dying before you made it to confession. If for some reason, you did not follow through with your firm intention to go to confession ASAP, your mortal sin would still have been forgiven. God doesn’t erase His original pardon.

I admit I could be mistaken but this how I always understood it.
Neither am I an expert on this but let me ask you this…
If I make a “perfect contrition” and then blow off the promise to go to confession when the opportunity is available, was my contrition perfect? Imperfect contrition = no forgiveness of the mortal sin.
Or - another way to look at it would be, If you make a perfect contrition - with intent, and are forgiven as you suggest, - but later renege on the promise to confess, have you not committed an equally grave sin in failing to keep your promise to God?
In either case, whether it be the original mortal sin, or the new sin of breaking a solomn promise to God, you will remain in Mortal sin and need to get to confession…Since the Catachism specificaly says all mortal sins must be confessed.

Peace
James
 
Neither am I an expert on this but let me ask you this…
If I make a “perfect contrition” and then blow off the promise to go to confession when the opportunity is available, was my contrition perfect? Imperfect contrition = no forgiveness of the mortal sin.
Or - another way to look at it would be, If you make a perfect contrition - with intent, and are forgiven as you suggest, - but later renege on the promise to confess, have you not committed an equally grave sin in failing to keep your promise to God?
In either case, whether it be the original mortal sin, or the new sin of breaking a solomn promise to God, you will remain in Mortal sin and need to get to confession…Since the Catachism specificaly says all mortal sins must be confessed.

Peace
James
The way it was explained to me that made perfect sense was that:

imperfect contrition/confession- made for fear of going to Hell

perfect contrition/confession- made for love of God

Just a thought - hope it helps.
 
The way it was explained to me that made perfect sense was that:

imperfect contrition/confession- made for fear of going to Hell

perfect contrition/confession- made for love of God

Just a thought - hope it helps.
Understood…So the question remains…If you love God will you break a promise to Him (getting to confession)? If you fail to get to confession do you truly love God?
This has a great bearing on whether teh act of contrition is “perfect” or not.

Peace
James
 
Understood…So the question remains…If you love God will you break a promise to Him (getting to confession)? If you fail to get to confession do you truly love God?
This has a great bearing on whether teh act of contrition is “perfect” or not.

Peace
James
I think sometimes there are events beyond our control such as fatal car accident on way to confession. :rolleyes:
 
I’m more just asking out of simple curiosity. The thing I like about the CC is that you have a level of anonymity, correct? The Lutheran church doesn’t have confessionals…so it’s like face-to-face conversation…awkward. Lol :ehh:

Peace and blessings,
Julie
I think, for a non-Catholic to receive the sacrament of reconciliation from a Catholic priest would require one to be in agreement with the Catholic Church’s beliefs regarding the sacrament. I think other conditions must be met, like danger of death or being in the process of conversion. If you were interested in possibly receiving the sacrament of reconciliation from a priest, I’d recommend calling one up to discuss it.

A lot of people do face-to-face to confessions but it is not required. Most churches will have a confessional where you can do your confession more anonymously. You can also sit with your back to the priest (and his to yours) if there is no confessional available. When I first converted, I dreaded the idea of face-to-face confession but now I usually prefer it.
Neither am I an expert on this but let me ask you this…
If I make a “perfect contrition” and then blow off the promise to go to confession when the opportunity is available, was my contrition perfect? Imperfect contrition = no forgiveness of the mortal sin.
Or - another way to look at it would be, If you make a perfect contrition - with intent, and are forgiven as you suggest, - but later renege on the promise to confess, have you not committed an equally grave sin in failing to keep your promise to God?
In either case, whether it be the original mortal sin, or the new sin of breaking a solomn promise to God, you will remain in Mortal sin and need to get to confession…Since the Catachism specificaly says all mortal sins must be confessed.

Peace
James
Exactly the two questions that popped into my mind as I considered this issue. 🙂
 
I think sometimes there are events beyond our control such as fatal car accident on way to confession. :rolleyes:
You are certainly correct in this statement, however if one, out of pure neglect, did not follow up with confession, I would have to say that they would be committing an additional sin and that the purported “perfect contrition” would not have been so perfect and the guilt would remain until they did confess.

By the way, I was professed into the Secular Franciscan Order on June 9, 1994. Deepest conversion experience of my life. God bless you.
 
Very interesting. The confession bit confuses me a little, but it turns out mortal/venial sin is actually really close to what I’ve always believed anyway. I’ve always been taught that all sin is bad, and all unrepentant sin leads to damnation. I’ve recognized though that some sins are much more severe than others. It’s hard to believe that telling a white lie to spare someone hurt feelings would be on the same level as commiting murder. Interesting stuff.

Can Lutherans go to confession at a Catholic church?

Peace and blessings,
Julie
Actually, during the Mass, at the recitation of the Confetitor, venial sins are forgiven to make us clean prior to communion. But when we go to confession, we should also confess venial sins as part of our spiritual growth.

The CC teaches that if we are in a state of mortal sin, we should not partake of communion unworthily as it is a sacrilege.

i do not think you can partake of confession unless you are a catholic.
 
Hmm…that just seems like it would be so uncomfortable…face to face, I mean. :hmmm: I’ve never confessed sins to a person before, so perhaps it’s just a matter of me not being accustomed to it.
Well, that is why going to confession is not an easy thing to do. We catholics do not find it easy. It takes a recognition of your transgression, accuse oneself of the transgression and find the courage to account for that sin to the priest, who we know is acting “in persona Christi”.
 
You are certainly correct in this statement, however if one, out of pure neglect, did not follow up with confession, I would have to say that they would be committing an additional sin and that the purported “perfect contrition” would not have been so perfect and the guilt would remain until they did confess.

By the way, I was professed into the Secular Franciscan Order on June 9, 1994. Deepest conversion experience of my life. God bless you.
Thanks Steve - my first Confession was actually made as a Protestant in the dessert - I can say it provided me a lot of Grace - it did take me three years to make my conversion to Catholicism (I wasn’t done partying yet and I wasn’t convert until I was ready to behave).
 
=Juliebug108;7700950]Thanks for all the information, everyone. This all leaves me pondering over what the CC believes about protestants who die having only confessed their mortal sins to God the Father and not to a Catholic priest.
I’m happy to let the Catholics answer this, but on the next part…
While my church doesn’t underestimate the importance of confessing one’s sins, I have been taught to confess them directly to God the Father, and that God will grant me forgiveness. In the serious case that I feel I need to speak to my pastor, my church encourages that…but they don’t teach that it is absolutely necessary…which seems weird because Luther did teach that one needed a confessor…hmmm.
It is wierd, and not what the confessions teach. We do more than not “underestimate” it. The confessions are clear as to the necessity of confession to a pastor/confessor. Every Sunday, you confess to a pastor/confessor, and he responds, “as a called and ordained servant of Christ, and by His authority, I therefore forgive you all of your sins, in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy spirit”. This is not “going directly or privately to God”, though we can do that, too, as the Lord’s Prayer says. The special thing about confession to a pastor/confessor is his speaking of Absolution, the clear certainlty that your sins our forgiven.
Am I correct in assuming that the Catholic Church believes that such a form of confession is invalid? That seems like it takes the authority to forgive away from God…:confused:
In fact, Christ gave this authority to the Church to forgive sins in this manner.

Jon
 
I’m happy to let the Catholics answer this, but on the next part…

It is wierd, and not what the confessions teach. We do more than not “underestimate” it. The confessions are clear as to the necessity of confession to a pastor/confessor. Every Sunday, you confess to a pastor/confessor, and he responds, “as a called and ordained servant of Christ, and by His authority, I therefore forgive you all of your sins, in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy spirit”. This is not “going directly or privately to God”, though we can do that, too, as the Lord’s Prayer says. The special thing about confession to a pastor/confessor is his speaking of Absolution, the clear certainlty that your sins our forgiven.

In fact, Christ gave this authority to the Church to forgive sins in this manner.

Jon
I had always thought that Martin Luther, and by extension Lutheranism, believed in confession and absolution. I wasn’t sure what emphasis was placed on it, though. I can see now it is viewed as very important. Do Lutherans not generally practice it?
 
I’m more just asking out of simple curiosity. The thing I like about the CC is that you have a level of anonymity, correct? The Lutheran church doesn’t have confessionals…so it’s like face-to-face conversation…awkward. Lol :ehh:

Peace and blessings,
Julie
Private confession is beginning to make some return to Lutheran practice, as it always has been Lutheran teaching, to the extent that some parishes have installed confessionals for this purpose. But face to face, or in a confessional, the Pastor is bound to privacy of the confessional just like a Catholic priest is. It seems to me if you want annonimity, seek out a Lutheran pastor at a different parish.

His peace also with you,

Jon
 
I had always thought that Martin Luther, and by extension Lutheranism, believed in confession and absolution. I wasn’t sure what emphasis was placed on it, though. I can see now it is viewed as very important. Do Lutherans not generally practice it?
Not enough, including myself 😊 . I don’t go nearly often enough. But, it seems to making something of a return among confessional Lutherans. I suspect that the big difference is, compared to Catholics, is a different view of mortal sin, as regarding the necessity of private confession in order to receive absolution.

Jon
 
Private confession is beginning to make some return to Lutheran practice, as it always has been Lutheran teaching, to the extent that some parishes have installed confessionals for this purpose. But face to face, or in a confessional, the Pastor is bound to privacy of the confessional just like a Catholic priest is. It seems to me if you want annonimity, seek out a Lutheran pastor at a different parish.

His peace also with you,

Jon
Hi Jon!

I know we do the general confession each Sunday…but…I’ve never really cared for that method. It’s a tad impersonal, and since we confess that way during the service as a whole congregation, simply reciting words from the bulletin, it’s just not the same as actually confessing each of your sins to God. My church does occasionally offers a moment of silence for personal reflection along with the confession. I like that method better. I’d like to take advantage of confession/absolution with a pastor, so I probably will…at a different Lutheran church lol 👍

Peace and blessings,
Julie
 
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