Venial Sins Confession Poll (For People in their 40s or Over); Please Help!

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Hey, gang.

I’m writing to you to ty to get some perspective in a debate I’m having with my parents.

Both are fallen-away Catholics; my father an agnostic, and my mother something of a Liberal Protestant . . .

My father grew up in Sicily; my mother was born in Chicago, grew up in Sicily for a few years, when to Catholic schools all through University. She and my dad attended Loyola in Chicago.

My folks claim that, growing up, they were taught, through the 1960s and early 70s, that before one received communion he had to have all his sins confessed, even venial sins. A person who had commited venial sin could not receive Communion, and this was taught to them by clergy and religious.

I explained to them that this was never the teaching of the Church, and that I could cite and/or obtain documentation (from every age in the Church’s history) to this effect. They refuse to even consider it; they claim that this is was virtually all Catholics were taught while they were growing up, and this all over the world.

I suggested to them that they either misundrstood the Church’s teaching, or else it was poorly explained. They insist it’s simply “another example” of the Church changing her teachings.

My father is 48 years old; my mother is 44.

I do know that the Jansenist heretics in the 17th century taught doctrines to the above effect, but I understood that this, and the sacramental misconceptions associated with it, had been virtually quashed by Pope Saint Pius X.

Anybody 40 or over: Were you taught, as my parents claim they were, that one could not receive Holy Communion if they had unconfessed venial sin on their souls?

Please, leave the country, state, and/or diocese where you grew up, so I have an idea of how widespread, if at all, this error was.

Thanks!
 
I was taught (went to Catholic school for 12 years), that you could not receive if you had mortal sin on your soul. However, if you had venial sin and could not get to confession you could make a sincere Act of Contrition. The key here is if you were unable to get to confession.
 
The key here is if you were unable to get to confession.
This would still seem to run counter to the official teaching of the Church. While confession of venial sins is strongly recommended, it is never required, even if Confession is unavailable. The two exceptions I know of are: 1) the first Confession of children, who often have not committed mortal sin, and 2) those who do not sin mortally but must still fulfill the Church’s requirement to confess once a year.

Have I misunderstood what you wrote?
 
Well the Baltimore Catechism does not require confession of all venial sins so I would doudt there story.

ourladyswarriors.org/faith/bc3-20.htm
Q. 828. After telling the time of our last Confession and Communion what should we do?

A. After telling the time of our last Confession and Communion we should confess all the mortal sins we have since committed, and all the venial sins we may wish to mention.

As I recall canon law deals with the reception of communion as well and the 1917 canon I am certain did not require confession of venial sins. It has always been the Churches position that the Eucharist forgives venial sins so I can’t imagine that it ever taught that they had to be confessed prior to recieving commuion. I suppose they might have had a bad catechist. More likely though I think it was misunderstanding. People also used to be more serious about confession and considered things that today would be considered venial (and probably were) as mortal. I think scrupulosity used to be a bigger issue than it is today (when we have gone in the opposite error of libertinism and not confessing anything or General Absolution).:bigyikes:

Hope that helps.
 
That has never been the teaching of the Church. Folks commit venial sins all the time literally. As Jesus says, the just man sins 70 times per day !!!

IF anyone wanted to receive Communion under your parents stipulation, they would have to go to confession just before the mass starts AND hope that they did not commit some venial sin between the time they left the confessional and actual Communion.

It is possible to sin just sitting or kneeling during mass (for example, induging oneself with impure thoughts.)

That would be impossible for just about everyone to be perfectly pure before every Communion.

The only time you should refrain from Communion is if you have committed a mortal sin and have not had a chance to confess it. Sure we should be sorry for our venial sins, but it is just not practical to confess all your venial sins before each Communion.

NEITHER is it required or practical to confess ALL your venial sins at every confession. Most parishes have confessions for an hour or two each week. During that time many folks want to go to confession. IF everyone confessed every sin they could possible think of, the priest would be there for hours, and only a few confessions will be heard.

We should confess ALL our mortal sins, and list one or two venial sins. The rest are covered by our stating " I am sorry for these and ALL of my sins of my past life". This is not to be deceptive but to be charitable to the folks standing in line and to the priests.

IF everyone comes in with a long laundry list of all their venial sins, the priests will be very limited in how many confessions that they can handle in a relatively short period of time.

I for one would dread standing behind a bunch of folks with complete lists of their venial sins. So let’s be charitable for impatient folks like myself, please keep your confessions short and by all means hit the serious stuff and only leave in one or two of the more trivial stuff.

Christ’s Peace.

BTW, I’m probably around your parents age (maybe even grandparents age :bigyikes: ), and been Catholic since 1956. I’ve never heard (or read anywhere) anyone say you are required to confess all venial sins before Communion.
 
Never heard of no communion while in the state of venial sin. Perhaps the passage of time confused the teaching in your parents’ memory? :confused:
 
Hello…encourage your folks to come back…because actually when we say at the beginning of mass

I confess to almighty God, and to you my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned, in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done and what I have failed to do, and I ask the Blessed Mother, ever Virgin, and all the angels and saints, and for you my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the Lord our God

We are heard and forgiven of Venial sins…also the Eucharist has forgiving powers…

Confession is for big Mortal sins and venial sins that you can’t seem to shake yourself from
 
I voted yes.

It depends on what you mean by “confessed.”

If you mean confessed to a priest, no.

If you mean confessed to God, yes.

I don’t think there was any particular penalty for venial sins you honestly forgot.

As others have posted, venial sins can be dispensed with, without going to confession, even at the prayer before Communion when we say, “Lord I am not Worthy” etc.

The real truth was, they weren’t really very clear. I think they liked things to be confusing (code phrase: it’s a mystery) so they could dodge around a bit when they didn’t really know the answers.

That’s the cynicism that comes with many my age (I’m 46). I went to Catholic grade school in the 1960’s, graduating in 1973. They didn’t teach us squadiddly about the Church of the Bible. They were too busy using religion class as a social exercise to feed us thinly disguised government propaganda on racism, drugs, and the like.

That was an upgrade from what my parents report being taught. They were taught all their non-Catholic friends were 100% certain to go to hell, and the point repeatedly emphasized. My mom was haunted by their harping on that fact whenever she visited or thought about her friends. That is, pretty much her whole life when she was young.

Alan
 
Thanks for screwing up my poll, Alan. If you woulda bothered to read my fist post you would’ve known exactly what I was talking about.

Sheesh!

Thanks to everyone else, though. Keep the replies coming!
 
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Sacramentalist:
Thanks for screwing up my poll, Alan. If you woulda bothered to read my fist post you would’ve known exactly what I was talking about.

Sheesh!

Thanks to everyone else, though. Keep the replies coming!
Hey, I read it. Read it yourself. You did not specify the exact manner in which they were to be confessed.

It’s a good thing you are asking for lessons from older people. The next lesson you can learn is some manners, lest you come across as a stereotypical disrespectful young whippersnapper. Do you even know life before VCR’s, home computers, microwave ovens, and ATM’s?

Ask your elders a question and then tell them that answering it honestly is “screwing it up.” :tsktsk:

You know, if you were my child maybe I’d just have to turn you over my knee. :crying: (just kidding)

Here’s what you asked:
Anybody 40 or over: Were you taught, as my parents claim they were, that one could not receive Holy Communion if they had unconfessed venial sin on their souls?
The answer is yes. We had to confess our venial sins as well, though not necessarily enumerate them. They were extremely vague on this. Was it necessary to confess them to a priest during a formal confession, no. You did not specify that in your original post. 😛

Oh, yes, I plead guilty of not totally complying with your original post. I grew up in St. Joseph’s parish in Homewood Illinois, diocese of Chicago. Not only was our catechesis essentially nonexistent despite having mostly nuns as teachers, certain parish leaders kept two sets of books which, shall we say, were not kept in sync. How do you think I got skeptical about Catholicism?

I hope you do well with your poll. I am sorry I didn’t look at the other results before I voted. Next time if I vote in one your polls, I will first look at the poll results so that I can vote with the majority and not offend you by having a different opinion than yours…

Alan,
or better yet Sir, to you.
 
Most definitely no. Grew up in small town belonging to Archdiocese of Detroit under the authority of Edward Cardinal Mooney. Had Adrian Dominican nuns as teachers in Catholic School. Maybe things were different in Sicily. Lotta weird stuff in some of them European towns way back. But your parents are relatively young. Sounds like an excuse to placate you and keep you off their backs.
 
I made my first Communion in 1967 and venial sin is always and will always be removed by receiving communion. (You should still confess venial sins but should never be a cause to avoid receiving Communion.
 
I am 46 so right in the middle of the age span represented by your parents. I am also an Army brat and had my religious ed in a variety of Catholic schools and CCE programs - including a Catholic school in Thailand taught by French sisters (2nd and 3rd grade)

Never were we told that venial sin is an impediment to receiving Communion worthily. And I never heard that version that Alan learned either (where you confess to God, but without sacramental Confession, your venial sins). That would ordinarily be covered by the Confetior, but not individually. In those days, though, it was common to come to Mass just for Communion on week days. People who did that were not present for the Confetior and were welcome at Communion.
 
Catholic school education 1-9, and then Catholic University.
All education/sacraments in Southern California late 60’s thru mid 80s’.

We were taught venial sins, if we weren’t able to confess them during reconciliation, should be recalled during the mass and they would be absolved during those two sections (during the opening when re recall our sins before the Lord Have Mercy, and before communion when we say “I am not worthy to receive you…” -provided we are sincere in our desire to be forgiven and resolve to do better from that moment forward.

While we weren’t required to confess venial sins we were required to reflect upon them during our examination of conscience and if we felt a need to confess them we could.
 
If you search the Baltimore Catechism, you will not find any mention of not being able to receive Communion in vential sin, but to receive Communion in mortal sin is a sacrilege (an offense against the sacred)Love & peace,
Bob
 
I’m 46 and was taught what everyone else was taught. Unconfessed venial sins don’t prevent you from receiving communion. I heard this from my priest, my CCD teachers, and my mother (my father was Methodist).
 
I am 45 and was taught, like your parents, in my earliest days that any sin, even venial, was a reason to need to not receive. I remember this clearly for two reasons. First, in 3rd or 4th grade the sisters stopped a boy from receiving because he stopped to allow a girl to pass in front of him in the communion line and they were certain that he did so for impure reasons (surely not a mortal sin if sin at all). Second, in around 5th grade, a visiting sister stunned us all with the teaching that venial sins were “no biggie” (quite a new phrase to us in the 1969-70 time frame) and that only “elephant” (i.e. mortal) sins prohibited one from receiving. The numbers of students receiving at weekly mass jumped greatly after that teaching.
 
Lordy, I grew up in the 50’s, and experienced the sacraments both before and after Vatican II, and I was NEVER taught such a thing. We were always taught that only unconfessed mortal sin need keep us from communion.

In the 50’s it was customary to go to confession every Saturday, at least in my region of the country. Maybe some people got the idea from that practice that is was a necessity to go to confession every time before receiving communion on Sunday, but it was never taught that every venial sin had to be confessed before receiving communion.
 
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In the 50’s it was customary to go to confession every Saturday, at least in my region of the country. Maybe some people got the idea from that practice that is was a necessity to go to confession every time before receiving communion on Sunday, but it was never taught that every venial sin had to be confessed before receiving communion.
I grew up in South Louisiana, a heavily Catholic part of the state. I went to Catholic school and I was NEVER taught that venial sins kept me from Holy Communion.

As the above quote says, so was my experience. It was customary to go to confession every week before you went to Mass to confess mortal sins. Being a child afraid of offending God if I received Communion with ANY sin, I went to confession every week. Of course, I would only confess venial sins since I was too young to really commit any mortal sin other than disodeying my parents (in direct violation of the 10 Commandments). The Eucharist forgives venial sins. The Church never taught what your parents are claiming.

The nuns probably “made” them go to confession (as they did us)before every Mass to confess ALL their sins and as children, probably thought like I did - you have to confess every sin every week before you receive Communion! That, of course, included venial sins.

Your parents probably just carried that belief over to their adult life and no catechist ever clarified. It sounds as though their beliefs never matured and they never tried to find the answers to the obvious questions they had/have about their faith. Unfortunately, many Catholics who rebel against their faith/church have never given their faith the opportunity to mature, they didn’t nuture it, they didn’t question anything at the time and they never searched for deeper understanding. If something didn’t make sense then it was rejected out of hand and never researched. What a shame.

I grew up when they did - I’m 47 and we were just taught, you didn’t question anything; therefore my faith was weak as well. Fortunately, I had an opportunity to rekindle my faith. I started asking the “whys” of my faith and I started to search for the answers - now my faith is stronger than ever and I am completely true to my Church - because I found the answers I needed and I found that it all makes perfect sense! The nuns explained things to us as children - very simply - they didn’t use reason with us then. It’s up to us to answer the questions we have because of how we were taught.

I teach catechism now and I make sure my kids know the “whys”. I don’t want them to be taught like I was - with misconceptions and misunderstanding on my part or with little knowledge of anything concerning our faith. I wish your parents would do the same - learn by searching and coming home!
 
I went to Catholic schools from kindergarten through high school in the '50’s and '60’s and never heard that we had to confess veniel sins befoire Communion, and believe me, if it were even suggested somewhere, Sister would’ve lined us up at the confessional every morning before Mass.
 
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