Veronica's Veil - True Account?

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I was always taught in Catholic School the story of Veronica’s veil. The Passion of The Christ has act of Veronica’s Veil in it. And most recently, The Bible series from HS shows (although discretely) a woman wipe the Lord’s face and then try to offer Him some water before she is whipped away from Him. So is this a true account? I read some varying stories. I always thought she was literally there and wiped His face. :confused:
 
I was always taught in Catholic School the story of Veronica’s veil. The Passion of The Christ has act of Veronica’s Veil in it. And most recently, The Bible series from HS shows (although discretely) a woman wipe the Lord’s face and then try to offer Him some water before she is whipped away from Him. So is this a true account? I read some varying stories. I always thought she was literally there and wiped His face. :confused:
If the Church teaches it, (and it does),I believe it and that settles it. God Bless, Memaw
 
I don’t think it would be in the Stations
of the Cross if it wasn’t true.
 
I don’t think it would be in the Stations
of the Cross if it wasn’t true.
 
It’s not mentioned in any of the gospels, so as a Protestant I had never heard of it until last year when my family reunion was held at a former Catholic girl’s school now retreat center and saw the stations of the cross by the nun’s who had run it’s graves. I don’t know what to make of the story.
 
It’s not mentioned in any of the gospels, so as a Protestant I had never heard of it until last year when my family reunion was held at a former Catholic girl’s school now retreat center and saw the stations of the cross by the nun’s who had run it’s graves. I don’t know what to make of the story.
That’s because you don’t believe in Sacred Tradition, but we do. The New Testament was not even put together till years after Sacred Tradition was the only teaching source the Catholic Church had. In the 4th Century the Catholic Church put the New Testament together along with the Old Testament and we now have the Sacred Scriptures. They truly belong together. Sad to say many things have been lost to the Protestants after the Reformation. God Bless, Memaw
 
If the Church teaches it, (and it does),I believe it and that settles it. God Bless, Memaw
I don’t think it would be in the Stations
of the Cross if it wasn’t true.
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The Church doesn't actually teach it as a matter of faith, but recommends the devotion as an excellent penitential meditation on Our Lord's Passion & Death.
It’s not mentioned in any of the gospels, so as a Protestant I had never heard of it until last year when my family reunion was held at a former Catholic girl’s school now retreat center and saw the stations of the cross by the nun’s who had run it’s graves. I don’t know what to make of the story.
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This link is from the century-old edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia:
newadvent.org/cathen/15362a.htm

And on the possibility of its recent discovery:

catholic-forum.com/saints/stv02001.htm

Holy relics were always important from the days of the early Church, and oftentimes their existence and location were common knowledge. It was only centuries later that people began to insist on provenance.
 
I don’t think that there is a definitive Church teaching on this. The most important point is the name assigned the woman. Veronica = True Image. The true image of Jesus is not the veil but the one who showed her charity by offering it.

She was a favorite of artists through the ages. She teaches that the true image of Jesus is not in their work, but in the life of a saint.
 
I don’t think that there is a definitive Church teaching on this. The most important point is the name assigned the woman. Veronica = True Image. The true image of Jesus is not the veil but the one who showed her charity by offering it.

She was a favorite of artists through the ages. She teaches that the true image of Jesus is not in their work, but in the life of a saint.
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I think I agree that it's more likely that the term for the veil itself came to be considered her name, since her actual name was not recorded. 

Since there are saints who were put to death by the Iconoclasts, I think it's important to recall and to maintain that some icons have come directly to us from heavenly agency.
 
I was always taught in Catholic School the story of Veronica’s veil. The Passion of The Christ has act of Veronica’s Veil in it. And most recently, The Bible series from HS shows (although discretely) a woman wipe the Lord’s face and then try to offer Him some water before she is whipped away from Him. So is this a true account? I read some varying stories. I always thought she was literally there and wiped His face. :confused:
There is a basis for it…gditaly.com/italy/abruzzo/hermitages/sacred_face.htm
 
I don’t think that there is a definitive Church teaching on this. The most important point is the name assigned the woman. Veronica = True Image. The true image of Jesus is not the veil but the one who showed her charity by offering it.

She was a favorite of artists through the ages. She teaches that the true image of Jesus is not in their work, but in the life of a saint.
Due to the fact that Christ promised His Church would never teach error, we can be assured that the Catholic Church would never promote something unless it was really true.And the fact that the whole church has believed it from the earliest years makes it an Infallible belief. God Bless, Memaw
 
It is NOT in Scripture

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Surely you must know that everything the Church teaches is not in Scripture. What about Sacred Tradition??? Memaw

thistle said,
and The Church does NOT teach that.
Well what do you think it does with it… The Pope makes the Stations of the Cross too. That’s teaching!! God Bless, Memaw
 
There is “Private Revelation” that support this tradition. Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich claims that St. Veronica did exist and did wipe the face of Jesus, as he went to Calvary. She also claims her name was Serphia, a cousin to St. John the Baptist!

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Private revelations are not Church teachings, and even ones which are deemed worthy of belief do not have to be believed by Catholics. We are free not to believe. I do not believe the revelations of Anne Emmerich.
 
Well what do you think it does with it… **The Pope makes the Stations of the Cross too. That’s teaching!! ** God Bless, Memaw
You are barking up the wrong tree there. The Stations of the Cross is a private devotion, just like the Rosary is a private devotion.
 
First off, let me just make the observation that the story of Veronica is purely
Western. It is (originally) unknown in the East. What is known
there is the story of King Abgar of Edessa and the Holy Mandylion.

Secondly, in the earliest versions of the Veronica story, there is no connection with the Passion yet. Veronica was a woman who wanted to have a portrait of Jesus and so she got a canvas and tried to contact a painter. When Jesus learned of what she was planning to do He personally went to her house, washed His face and wiped it on the canvas. Lo and behold, an image of His face not made by human hands appeared on the cloth. This was the version known to Jacobus de Voragine (Golden Legend). It was only around the late Middle Ages that the familiar version - Veronica using her veil to wipe Jesus’ bloodied face on the way to Golgotha - began to appear.
 
Let’s start at the beginning, shall we?

In the apocryphal work known as the Acts of Pilate (ca. 4th century), various witnesses appear at Jesus’ trial to testify to His deeds. One of the witnesses was the woman (formerly) with the issue of blood. While in the earliest recensions of the work the woman is not named, in some versions she is given a proper name: Berenice or some variant thereof - one of which is Veronica.

There is no mention in the Acts of Pilate about any image linked with Berenice/Veronica, although some contemporary Christian writers speak of a certain statue in Paneas (Caesarea Philippi) which they purport to be that of Jesus, believing it to be erected by the woman in gratitude for her cure. Eusebius mentions it (Church History 7.18).

Since I have mentioned this city I do not think it proper to omit an account which is worthy of record for posterity. For they say that the woman with an issue of blood, who, as we learn from the sacred Gospel, received from our Saviour deliverance from her affliction, came from this place, and that her house is shown in the city, and that remarkable memorials of the kindness of the Saviour to her remain there. For there stands upon an elevated stone, by the gates of her house, a brazen image of a woman kneeling, with her hands stretched out, as if she were praying. Opposite this is another upright image of a man, made of the same material, clothed decently in a double cloak, and extending his hand toward the woman. At his feet, beside the statue itself, is a certain strange plant, which climbs up to the hem of the brazen cloak, and is a remedy for all kinds of diseases. They say that this statue is an image of Jesus. It has remained to our day, so that we ourselves also saw it when we were staying in the city. Nor is it strange that those of the Gentiles who, of old, were benefited by our Saviour, should have done such things, since we have learned also that the likenesses of his apostles Paul and Peter, and of Christ himself, are preserved in paintings, the ancients being accustomed, as it is likely, according to a habit of the Gentiles, to pay this kind of honor indiscriminately to those regarded by them as deliverers.

(As an aside, we don’t know whether this monument really depicted Jesus - it has been suggested that the statue was actually that of the Greco-Roman god of healing Aesculapius due to the mention of the ‘strange plant’ at the statue’s feet. But even if we suppose that the statue was originally pagan but was given a Christian meaning, it is yet another evidence of Christian attitudes toward images at that time. Eusebius himself was somewhat of an iconophobe, but even then he did not have a problem with an image supposedly that of Christ being erected as a memorial and a token of gratitude, nor does he find it impossible or inconceivable.)
 
It would take a while until we see Veronica linked with a portrait of Jesus, and even then the different stories would not agree for some time whether the portrait was a simple painting or a miraculous image ‘not made by human hands’ - although the latter version would eventually win out.

A 7th-century work known as the Cura Sanitatis Tiberii has the emperor Tiberius (who was ill) sending the envoy Volusianus to Judaea in order to fetch Jesus, having gotten word of His healings and miracles. Volusianus arrived too late, however, as Jesus is no longer in this world. Pilate is punished for his execution of Jesus, while Volusianus hears of Veronica, who has a portrait of Jesus in her possession. He forces her to come to Rome with him, where Tiberius is cured by the portrait. Some slightly-later works add in details like how the image was formed when Jesus washed His face onto the cloth Veronica was planning to have His image painted on (so the Mors Pilati, aka The Death of Pilate). It was probably around this time that people devised a folk etymology for the name Veronica: vera icona ‘true icon.’
 
From the woman let’s move to the cloth itself. The following is gonna be a repost.

The first record we have about the cloth dates from 1011, when Pope Sergius IV is said to have consecrated an altar to the relic in St. Peter’s Basilica, appointing a scribe as keeper of it. A canon of St. Peter’s named Petrus Mallius, writing in about 1160, speaks of the following (Historia Basilicae Antiquae S.P. Apostoli in Vaticano, chaps. 25, 37):

The oratorium of the holy Mother of God, called the Veronica, in which are kept [apart from the crib relic]…the indubitable genuine sudarium of Christ ubi sine dubio est sudarium], the cloth into which he pressed his most holy face before his Passion, when his sweat ran in drops of blood to the earth. … Before the Veronica ten lamps burn day and night.

In this case, Petrus identifies the ‘sudarium’ (as he calls it) as being a cloth in which Jesus wiped His face when He sweated blood in Gethsemane. He does not describe any image on the cloth, nor does he name any woman in connection with the relic.

Firm recording of the Veronica only begins in 1199 when two pilgrims, the Norman-Welsh Gerald de Barri and Gervase of Tilbury made two accounts at different times of a visit to Rome which made direct reference to the cloth’s existence. Interestingly enough, they each give somewhat different stories as to the cloth’s origin. This is what Gervase says (Otia imperialia 3.89):

And there are images of the countenance vultus] of the Lord, like the Veronica, which is said to have come to Rome with a certain Veronica, an unknown woman. But we have proved from very ancient texts that in truth she was Martha … who was cured of a twelve-year issue of blood by touching the hem of the Lord’s robe. We know from old tradition that she possessed a likeness of the Lord’s face painted on a panel in tabula pictam habuisse Dominici vultus effigiem]. Emperor Tiberius sent his friend Volusian to Jerusalem to find about the mirables of Christ, by whom he wanted his illness cured [whereupon Volusian seized the image from Martha]. … Tiberius is said to have been cured at his first sight of the Veronica painting. … It is therefore the Veronica, the authentic painting, which shows the likeness of the head and shoulders of the Lord in the flesh pictura Domini vera secundum carnem representans efficiem a pectore superius] and is kept at St. Peter’s, on the right of the entrance.

We note that in Gervase’s account, ‘Veronica’ is identified with the woman healed of the issue of blood, who in turn Gervase names ‘Martha’ (is there an identification with Martha, sister of Mary of Bethany here?). He is also the first to say that there was an image of a face on the Veronica (which is here purported to be a panel), although he doesn’t seem to think that it was miraculously-formed. Gervase repeatedly calls it a ‘painting’, albeit one which is painted from life. Immediately after this Gervase goes on to talk about other images of Jesus found at the Lateran and at Lucca.

There is also another copy effigies] of the Lord’s face, also painted on a panel in tabulae aeque depicta] in the chapel of S. Lorenzo in the Lateran palace. Pope Alexander III (1159-81) had it covered with several layers of silk cloth multiplici panno serico operuit] becaused it caused mortal fear in the onlooker. And an eyewitness reports the following: if one looks closely at the Lord’s face, which was so badly damaged by a Jew in the Lateran palace, near the chapel of S. Lorenzo, that blood flowed from the wound and covered the right side, one notices that it resembles the Veronica in St. Peter’s as well as the painting that is found in the chapel itself, and the Volto Santo in Lucca.​
 
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