Veronica's Veil - True Account?

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I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree. Your attitude would likely discourage one from making the Stations under the pretense they are not approved by the Church, when the Church not only “TEACHES” them but promotes them and has for many years. I do not believe it would do that as the Church is protected by the Holy Spirit to never teach error. God Bless. Memaw
There are all variations of the Stations. 🙂
But I do see your point about the traditional one. 🙂

Just want people to be clear and on the same page is all, when it comes to understanding, and for those who may do a google search on the topic.

It’s just prudent for people to understand, is all. 🙂
 
Neither has the Magisterium ever proclaimed that it is not true/accurate – at least to my knowledge.
If I’m in error, could you please let me know the name of the official document and if possible provide a link to it? Thanks.
It is approved as a private devotion. Is that what you are asking?
 
It is approved as a private devotion. Is that what you are asking?
No. We all know it’s approved as a devotion – private AND public.

I was just adding to your comment regarding the absence of an official stance of the Church regarding a woman (Veronica, or some unknown name) wiping the face of Jesus on His way to Calvary. You said they have never officially taught it was a historical fact and I just added that they have also never officially taught that it was not a historical fact. (If by “taught” you mean proclaiming it as doctrine to be believed by the Church.) But if you accept a broader understanding of “taught” – one that includes more than just infallible doctrines and dogmas, one that includes content approved and put forth in the Church’s prayers and other ways, then the Church certainly does teach it every time a priest reads a sixth station prayer (from an approved Way of the Cross version) that tells of a woman named Veronica who wiped the face of Jesus.
 
…But if you accept a broader understanding of “taught” – one that includes more than just infallible doctrines and dogmas, one that includes content approved and put forth in the Church’s prayers and other ways, then the Church certainly does teach it every time a priest reads a sixth station prayer (from an approved Way of the Cross version) that tells of a woman named Veronica who wiped the face of Jesus.
I just wanted to add to my above post that even tho the Church teaches it in that broader sense, she is NOT teaching it as a doctrine or dogma that must be believed.
 
I just wanted to add to my above post that even tho the Church teaches it in that broader sense, she is NOT teaching it as a doctrine or dogma that must be believed.
Exactly. You are right in that the Church has said that such an occurance never happened and Patrick did an excellent job of deliniating how the legend came about. Was there some one who wiped His face while on the way to Calvary? Who knows. Maybe. But we don’t know one way or the other exactly what happpened on the Via delarosa other than the very scant summery in Scripture.

The rest, as said before, Patrick did a wonderful job of deliniating that particular station. Even the devotion itself:)
 
Exactly. You are right in that the Church has said that such an occurance never happened…
Excuse me, but where do you think I said that.
I did not say “the Church has said that such an occurance never happened”. You’re the one saying the Church made such a statement.
I said just the opposite. I said the Church has NOT made such a statement ; she has not proclaimed that “no such occurance took place”.
 
I went back and read all of Patrick’s posts, looking for anything reflecting magisterial (Pope/bishops) thinking regarding the veil. There were only 2 posts that involved Church/papal actions and words.

Post #21The first record we have about the cloth dates from 1011, when** Pope Sergius IV **is said to have consecrated an altar to the relic in St. Peter’s Basilica, appointing a scribe as keeper of it.

Post #22
…In 1207, the “sudarium” was publicly paraded and displayed by** Pope Innocent III**…………

… As was customary,** Pope Innocent **… led the image [effigiem] in procession from St. Peter’s to the hospital of Sto. Spirito…

…** He ** (Pope Innocent) therefore composed an elegant prayer in honor of the image, to which he added a psalm with a number of verses [probably Ps. 4:7], and granted a ten days’ indulgence to all who said the prayer. …

The name “Veronica” is derived from a woman of that name, at whose request Christ printed his face on the cloth. One should make the sign of the cross and say [signans se igitur homo dicat]: The light of your countenance, O Lord, has appeared to us [signatum]; [after Ps. 4:7. There follow Ps. 85:16; 26:18, 104:4, and 79:20 and the prayer said to have been composed by Innocent]. **Lord, you have left behind for us, who are marked [signatis] by the light of your face, the image imprinted on the cloth of Veronica **[sudario impressam imaginem] as your memento [memoriale]. Grant, for the sake of your Passion and the cross, that we, as we now adore and venerate this on earth in a mirror and parable [per speculum et in enigmate], shall one day see you face to face [facie ad faciem] as judge on the good side [securi].
 
In case you don’t recall, St. Christopher never “got the ax” as you put it, but he was removed from the Church calender to make room for others. Lots of difference between the two. God Bless, Memaw
You’re correct that St. Christopher wasn’t ‘axed’. His feast day was simply removed when the General Roman Calendar was reformed in 1969, because it was getting crowded with saints that have more local rather than universal followings. That doesn’t mean that he was ‘de-sainted’ or that no one could celebrate his feast day locally.

I would say that St. Christopher’s case is similar to St. George’s and St. Valentine’s: all of them existed, but lots of legends grew around them that it has become difficult to distinguish fact from myth.
 
I find this thread to be fascinating. Thank you Patrick457 for the history lessons. 👍
 
Additional information on the way.

In the last posts, I’ve dealt mainly with the treatment of Veronica (the woman) and the Veronica (the image) in the West. This time, let’s look briefly at the East.

Historically in the East, Veronica (or should I say Berenice) is associated more with the role she is given in the Acts of Pilate: as the hemorrhaging woman who was healed by touching Jesus’ garment. In this capacity Berenice is usually named in early Byzantine (and Germanic) folk charms and incantations for stopping blood flow along with Zechariah (the father of John the Baptist, conflated with “Zechariah son of Barachiah” of Matthew 23:35). Here’s one example:

By the great name of the almighty God. The prophet Zacharias was slaughtered in the temple to the Lord and his blood solidified in the middle of the sanctuary like a Stone. So thou too stop the blood of the servant of God, congeal disease, as that one and as a Stone, may it be annulled. I exorcise thee by the Faith of Berenice (Beraioonikii), blood, that you may not drip further; let us stay good, let us stay in fear; amen. Jesus Christ conquers.

Notice how “the faith of Berenice/Veronica” is invoked in the context of hemorrhaging. A medieval Latin charm also runs pretty much the same:

For stopping blood from the nose. In the name of Christ write on the forehead with the own blood of the same the name of Veronica. The same is it who said: If I touch the fringe of the garment of my Lord I shall be healed.

Ever since early Christianity the woman with the issue of blood (or the Haemorrhoissa) is almost always seen in the context of the early Christian concern with the presence of menstruating women in sacred space. Simply put, early Christians are at a dilemma: are menstruating women allowed to partake of sacred functions or not - especially considering that in Judaism, menstrual blood is always seen as something impure? One camp argued that they could; another argued that they couldn’t. Both made use of the story of the hemorrhaging woman to prove their point.

The Didascalia Apostolorum (3rd century), for instance, discourages the making of newly-converted women withdraw from their place in the community just because they are menstruating. The author makes use of the woman’s boldness to touch Jesus’ clothing as proof-text for his argument:

For this cause therefore do you approach without restraint to those who are at rest, and hold them not unclean. In like manner also you shall not separate those (women) who are in the wonted courses; for she also who had the flow of blood was not chidden when she touched the skirt of our Saviour’s cloak, but was even vouchsafed the forgiveness of all her sins (Matthew 9.20-22).

Meanwhile, a student of Origen, Dionysius of Alexandria (d. 264), held the opposite view.

Concerning women in their menstrual separation, whether it is right to them in such a condition to enter the house of God, I think it is unnecessary even to inquire. For I think that they, being faithful and pious, would not dare in such a condition either to approach the home table or to touch the body and blood of Christ.

Dionysius also uses the story of the woman to prove his point: in support of his argument, he points out to the fact that the woman only touched the hem of Jesus’ garment.

The controversy continued for some time. As late as 597, when St. Augustine of Canterbury asked Pope St. Gregory the Great about whether menstruating women could receive communion, the pope answered in the affirmative, again using the Haemorrhoissa as an illustration:

A woman must not be prohibited from entering a church during her usual periods, for this natural overflowing cannot be reckoned a crime. If the woman who was suffering from the issue of blood humbly came behind the Lord’s back and touched the hem of his garment …] was justified in her boldness, why is it that what was permitted to one woman, was not permitted to all women?

However, a later archbishop of Canterbury, Theodore of Tarsus (602-690), expressed the opposite view. According to him menstruating women are under no circumstances to receive communion; he even required from women who had given birth a waiting period before they could attend church again. An 8th century Carolingian bishop and theologian, Jonas of Orléans, agrees with this view, saying in his De Institutione laicali that “Women do not enter the church during carnal impurity.”
 
The healing of the Haemorrhoissa is a popular subject in early Christian art: it is represented in various media ranging from the walls of catacombs to coffins to reliefs to amulets. Funny thing is, we have no explicit references the woman’s illness: the issue of blood is not directly directly or represented. All we have is the woman, who is invariably stooping down or kneeling, trying to touch Jesus’ garment, and Jesus, who is turned towards the woman, His hand raised up in a gesture of blessing. This portrayal is in stark contrast to portrayals of other healings, where you have some indication of the person’s illness (e.g. Jesus touching a blind man’s eyes, the paralytic carrying his bed or crutch, etc.) This lack of a graphic indicator has made it difficult to identify the episode: the woman has been confused with Mary Magdalene, the Canaanite/Syrophoenician woman, or the hunchbacked woman (Luke 13:10-17). Nevertheless, artists often gave clues for identifying the episode by typologically pairing it with other biblical and extrabiblical episodes and images related to wells, fountains and/or fluidity (the woman’s blood flow, get it?), such as Jesus and the Samaritan woman, Moses (or Peter) striking the rock, or the cure of the paralytic at the pool of Bethesda.

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Here BTW is the passage from the Acts of Pilate:

Then one of the Jews hastened forward and asked the governor that he might speak a word. The governor said: “If you wish to say anything, say it.” And the Jew said: “For thirty-eight years I lay on a bed in anguish and pain, and when Jesus came many demoniacs and those lying sick of various diseases were healed by him. And certain young men took pity on me and carried me with my bed and brought me to him. And when Jesus saw me he had compassion, and spoke a word to me: Take up your bed and walk. And I took up my bed and walked.” Thhe Jews said to Pilate: “Ask him what day it was on which he was healed.” He that was healed said: “On a sabbath.” The Jews said: “Did we not inform you so, that on the sabbath he heals and casts out demons?”
And another Jew hastened forward and said: “I was born blind; I heard any man’s voice, but did not see his face. And as Jesus passed by I cried with a loud voice: Have mercy on me, Son of David. And he took pity on me and put his hands on my eyes and I saw immediately.”
And another Jew hastened forward and said: “I was bowed, and he made me straight with a word.”
And another said: “I was a leper, and he healed me with a word.”
And a woman called Bernice crying out from a distance said: “I had an issue of blood and I touched the hem of his garment, and the issue of blood, which had lasted twelve years, ceased.” The Jews said: "We have a law not to permit a woman to give testimony."
And others, a multitude of men and women, cried out: “This man is a prophet, and the demons are subject to him.” Pilate said to those who said the demons were subject to him: “Why are your teachers also not subject to him?” They said to him: “We do not know.”
Others said: “Lazarus who was dead he raised up out of the tomb after four days.”
Then the governor began to tremble and said to all the multitude of the Jews: “Why do you wish to shed innocent blood?”
 
It’s rather lovely isn’t it to consider that the woman whom Jesus healed of the blood flow could have been present at Our Lord’s passion. One can easily imagine the flood of emotions that would have filled her as she saw our wounded Lord pass by – immense love for Him and gratitude for curing her suffering; an aching desire to come to His aid, and the sorrow of being unable to do anything to halt or ease His physical agony. It’s so easy to imagine her coming forward and offering her veil to wipe the sweat and blood from His face. A small thing perhaps, but the only thing she could think of doing.

That possibility will be part of my meditation from now on when it comes to the Sixth Station of the Cross.
 
It’s rather lovely isn’t it to consider that the woman whom Jesus healed of the blood flow could have been present at Our Lord’s passion. One can easily imagine the flood of emotions that would have filled her as she saw our wounded Lord pass by – immense love for Him and gratitude for curing her suffering; an aching desire to come to His aid, and the sorrow of being unable to do anything to halt or ease His physical agony. It’s so easy to imagine her coming forward and offering her veil to wipe the sweat and blood from His face. A small thing perhaps, but the only thing she could think of doing.

That possibility will be part of my meditation from now on when it comes to the Sixth Station of the Cross.
I’ll admit, it is. Just as I said to the OP earlier, perhaps one of the reasons why this particular version of the Veronica story became the standard (effectively supplanting the older versions) is just that - because it is lovely and touching, because it somewhat fits the context, and because it is a very good meditation material.
 
I’ll admit, it is. Just as I said to the OP earlier, perhaps one of the reasons why this particular version of the Veronica story became the standard (effectively supplanting the older versions) is just that - because it is lovely and touching, because it somewhat fits the context, and because it is a very good meditation material.
I agree with both you and Nita. It’s a wonderful meditation and also a wonderful examination of conscience “where am I while Jesus carried His cross? Am I crying for His death, or am I wiping His face?”
 
I mentioned earlier the so-called Cura Sanitatis Tiberii, our oldest source for the linking of Veronica with an image of Jesus. The earliest manuscript we have of it dates from the 8 th century, so we can be pretty certain that the work was penned somewhere before that (as with many other apocryphal literature, we can’t be exactly sure as to when). The Cura, usually found as an appendix to the Latin versions of the Acts of Pilate, effectively serves to expand the character of Berenice/Veronica, who is named but only appears briefly within the latter work.

I’ve already given a summary of the basic plot of the older version of the Veronica story, but I’ll repeat it here (in case y’all forgot or are too lazy to wade through a sea of text upon text – my fault entirely :p); this time, I’ll tell the version found in the Cura first and then compare it with later retellings. After which I’ll again focus a bit on the story of the Holy Mandylion. (You’ll learn why.)

Basically, what happens is that the emperor Tiberius (who had fallen ill with an unspecified disease) sends a priest named Volusianus to fetch Jesus and return with a cure. After a journey of a year and three months, Volusianus arrives in Jerusalem and is greeted by Pilate. Pilate is visibly shaken when he learns that Volusianus is looking for Jesus under the emperor’s orders. A certain Jew named Thomas overhears the conversation and confirms the rumors Volusianus had heard: while Christ was still alive, even the demons acknowledged His divinity. One of Pilate’s soldiers then divulges to Volusianus that he had arrived too late; Pilate had already crucified Jesus some time ago. Volusianus demands to know why He was put to death without the emperor’s approval, to which Pilate meekly answers that the Jews forced him to do it. The unnamed soldier explans that Christ’s resurrection was witnessed by a lot of people, including the man who arranged for His burial, Joseph of Arimathea. When asked by Volusianus about what he knows about Jesus, Joseph recounts the events following the Resurrection, and his story is corroborated by eleven others who witnessed the Ascension along with him. After listening to Joseph’s testimony, Volusianus orders Pilate to be imprisoned, but Pilate continues to plead innocent, insisting that the Jews are responsible for Jesus’ death. A certain disciple of Jesus named Simon, however, lends support to Joseph’s testimony by insisting on Pilate’s guilt. Pilate is then taken away.

At this point a young man named Marcius comes forward with the information that a woman currently living in Tyre named Veronica was cured by Jesus of a hemorrhage. He explains that this woman had in her possession a portrait of Jesus from life (imago Christi) which she once had painted as a token of her gratitude and love for Him. With this information, Volusianus summons Veronica from Tyre and demands her to show him this painting. When Veronica denies that she owns such a portrait, Volusianus then dispatches some men, attempting to take it by force. Sure enough, they find the portrait, Volusianus adores it and vows to avenge Jesus’ death by punishing those responsible.

Taking Veronica (who in some manuscripts is here given a second name: Vasilla/Basilla/Basilissa –perhaps through confusion with one or more of the Saints Basilla and Basilissa identified in the Roman Martyrology?) with him and assembling a vast army, Volusianus heads back to Rome. The return journey takes nine months – a violent storm delayed it temporarily. Back at Rome Volusianus recounts his adventures to Tiberius. Tiberius then asks Volusianus why he refrained from killing Pilate as soon as he understood the severity of his crimes, to which Volusianus replies diplomatically that he did not wish to act rashly on behalf of an emperor renowned for his clemency. Tiberius however is not impressed: Pilate is sentenced to be banished and imprisoned in a city in Tuscany called Ameria. Volusianus introduces Veronica to Tiberius, who asks her to show the portrait. She obligingly produces it, and Tiberius is finally cured of his illness.
 
That’s basically how the story runs in the Cura. A major difference you would notice first of all between this version and later retellings of the story (such as those found in the Mors Pilati, aka the Death of Pilate, the Vindicta Salvatoris, aka the Avenging of the Savior, or in Jacobus de Voragine’s Golden Legend) concerns the nature of the image of Jesus. Here there isn’t yet any indication that the portrait is an acheiropoietos (Greek for ‘not made by [human] hands’), an image which appeared on the linen cloth Jesus had wiped His face on; it is simply a painting of Jesus from life which Veronica had commissioned as a memento and a token of thanksgiving. In fact, the later versions somewhat build up on the earlier one: there Jesus basically rendered the painter’s job moot by providing Veronica with an image of His face Himself! Nevertheless the picture, despite its apparently non-miraculous origins in the Cura, is miraculous: by looking at it Tiberius is healed of his sickness.

A minor but a rather interesting difference concerns Veronica’s reaction when Volusianus asks her about the portrait. In the Cura she is apparently hesitant to reveal it, forcing Volusianus to send men to basically raid her house. In the Vindicta Salvatoris she is even tortured by Volosianus (that’s how his name is spelled there; incidentally, Volosianus is a nobleman here, only roughly modeled on the Cura’s priest Volusianus) until she finally confesses as to the whereabouts of the portrait (called in this work vultus Domini ‘the face of the Lord’). The reason why she follows Volosianus to Rome is because she could not bear parting with the image. By comparison, Veronica in the Mors Pilati and in the Golden Legend is very cooperative: she is basically the one who suggests to Volusianus that she should come to Rome with the portrait. (Incidentally, it is in the Mors Pilati that we first see the image as being produced when Jesus wipes His face onto the cloth Veronica was intending to have His likeness painted on.)
 
Patrick, cant thank you enough for taking the time and effort to lay out what is known vs what is myth/legend.

We live in a time when credibility matters, and when we, as Catholics, can articulate how our pious legends came into being, the more credibile disciples in terms of evangelization we can be.

Your explanations are beyond invaluable.
Than you and God bless.
 
Patrick, your research would make excellent grist for a book.

When I first saw the Veronica station, I couldn’t help but think of the Jughead comic strip.
 
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