Verses from the GIta what do you think?

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Bhagavad Gita 11.47 it is stated,

sri-bhagavan uvaca
maya prasannena tavarjunedam rupam param darsitam atma-yogat
tejo-mayam visvam anantam adyam yan me tvad anyena na drsta-purvam

which translates to

The Supreme Lord said: My dear Arjuna, happily have I shown you, by My mAyA, this supreme cosmic form within this world. No one before you has ever seen this cosmic form, unlimited and full of glaring effulgence.
 
What do I think?

I think when we refer to “one holy catholic and apostolic Church” it means we don’t have to go poking around outside her for spiritual instruction. Christ and His Church are sufficient.

Why consult with the worshippers of demons?
 
You know its funny i was on a hindu forum that had as much resentment for the teachings of Islam as you express towards hinduism and like i told the that member read the forum you are in. hmm interesting. NON CATHOLIC RELIGIONS.HMM i wonDeR WhAt ThAt MuSt ImPlY?
 
Sagefrakrobatik said:
You know its funny i was on a hindu forum that had as much resentment for the teachings of Islam as you express towards hinduism and like i told the that member read the forum you are in. hmm interesting. NON CATHOLIC RELIGIONS.HMM i wonDeR WhAt ThAt MuSt ImPlY?
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That wasn’t resentment. Christianity is fairly exclusive, you’re either in or out. There is no need to explore other faith traditions except for academic purposes.
 
Then whats the point of this forum? There is a journalist who writes column for the Commonwealth who has studied hinduism quite extensively and says that everytime he studies he peals away another layer because there is some much to learn. Now im not saying you should convert to Hinduism but there are discussion on here about Buddhism Islam Judaism and Mormonism I dont see what the big deal is.
 
Not a big deal at all. I love learning about other religions. Most of my friends are either Sikhs, Hindus or Muslims. However we don’t study them to ‘‘open our minds to new possibilities’’. What do I think of the verse? Right now my mind is so tired I barely understand it 😛

God Bless

Peter

EDIT: Maybe a bit of background/context to explain the verse may help?
 
Well i guess Arjuna, the person who God as Krishna reveals himself to in the Bhagavad Gita according to Hinduism, is actually in an incarnation himself of the demigod Indra. Which i thought was interesting.
 
Sagefrakrobatik said:
Well i guess Arjuna, the person who God as Krishna reveals himself to in the Bhagavad Gita according to Hinduism, is actually in an incarnation himself of the demigod Indra. Which i thought was interesting.
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Where they said revealed my maya, doesn’t Maya mean illusions/falsehoods?
 
LDNCatholic said:
Where they said revealed my maya, doesn’t Maya mean illusions/falsehoods?
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Thats the way Ive heard it explain before.

Anyways here some other verses that might but it into context

Neither by reciting the vedas ( some say studying) nor by sacrifices (yajya) nor by studies,; neither alms giving nor by ritual (acts or kriyabhih) nor by tapas … can I be seen in this world of mortals

Also i have learned that within the spiritual herarchy of hinduism those who are higher up can see more details of the divine. So humans cant see as much of God as Demigods.
 
Sagefrakrobatik said:
Then whats the point of this forum? There is a journalist who writes column for the Commonwealth who has studied hinduism quite extensively and says that everytime he studies he peals away another layer because there is some much to learn. Now im not saying you should convert to Hinduism but there are discussion on here about Buddhism Islam Judaism and Mormonism I dont see what the big deal is.
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Hi

The PromisedMessiah 1838-1908 has told us that GodAllahYHWH had sent DivineGuides or His ProphetsMessengers or Warners to every nation/race/religion and it is rightly mentioned in Quran:

[35:24] Thou (Muhammad) art only a warner.
[35:25] Verily, We have sent thee with the Truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and as a Warner; and there is no people to whom a Warner has not been sent.
[35:26] And if they treat thee as a liar, those who were before them also treated their Messengers as liars. Their Messengers came to them with clear Signs, and with the Scriptures, and with the illuminating Book.
[35:27] Then I seized those who disbelieved, and how terrible were the consequences of denying ME!
www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=35&verse=20

[4:164] Surely, We have sent revelation to thee, as We sent revelation to Noah and the Prophets after him; and We sent revelation to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and his children and to Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and We gave David a Book.
[4:165] **And We sent some Messengers whom We have already mentioned to thee and some Messengers whom We have not mentioned to thee **- and to Moses Allah spoke at great length -
[4:166] Messengers, bearers of glad tidings and Warners, **so that people may have no plea against Allah after the coming of the Messengers. And Allah is Mighty, Wise. **[4:167] But Allah bears witness by means of the revelation which He has sent down to thee, that He has sent it down full of His knowledge, and the angels also bear witness; and sufficient is Allah as a Witness.
www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=4&verse=157

There is no specialty with the Jews that entitles them that the ProphetsMessengers should only come for their guidance and other nations/countreis should remain deprived just for nothing.

Krishna was a truthful ProphetMessenger of GodAllahYHWH for Hindus, as was Moses for Jews or Buddha for Buddhists, Zoroaster for Zoroastrians or Jesus for his followers.

And this make a lot of sense.

Thanks
 
Grace & Peace!

If I remember correctly, Krishna (by his art, by his creative will, by his Maya) has just revealed his true “form” to Arjuna, and Arjuna, so overwhelmed with the neverending majesty of divinity, has begged Krishna to remove the vision from him.

I am unsure if this true form refers to Vishnu, of whom Krishna is the most famous avatar, or if this true form refers to Vishnu as a mask of the totality of the Divine: Vishnu/Krishna as Brahman itself. I come down more on the latter than on the former.

What the passage reveals, to me, among other things, is this: that Hinudism quite easily and radically comprehends a personal divinity which reveals itself as Universally Divine as an act of love (Krishna clearly loves Arjuna very much). That is, the self-revelation of Deity is an act of love. It is also an overwhelming act.

There is a lot of Wisdom in the Gita, I find. And as a Christian, acknowledging Christ to be the content of the Wisdom of God, whenever I recognize that Wisdom (and I’m very thick-headed, it takes me a long time), I am bound to recognize (or at the least, to seek to recognize) Christ.

I think it is merely cultural pride, not religious pride or even a reflection of religious truth, which sees another culture’s religion as the doctrine of demons.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!
 
“Krishna” is just another name for Satan–or Sataness, if you’d rather.

He/She/It flies under many aliases.
 
Grace & Peace!
bpbasilphx said:
“Krishna” is just another name for Satan–or Sataness, if you’d rather.

He/She/It flies under many aliases.
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Perhaps predictably, I don’t agree. Krishna is a name by which a particular culture and people have attempted to apprehend the divine.

You’re engaging in a very old game–calling the gods of another religion the demons of one’s own. You’re quite right in thinking, perhaps, that many of the Fathers played the same game, but there are also notable exceptions (Origen’s letter to Gregory the Wonderworker re: pagan philosophy reveals a different POV, as does Augustine’s insistence that Christianity has always been in existence and only recently has been recognized by its true name). But this is the same game the emerging Persian culture played with the Aryan/Indian culture from which it (apparently acrimoniously) separated and vice versa–the gods of Hinduism are the demons of Persia (and, again, vice versa).

In its most benevolent form, it is the impulse which renames the gods of other religions with the names of one’s own gods (as the Romans did to the Egyptians and the Celts).

Once again, this attitude does not reflect a theological truth, but a cultural prejudice. It’s conflating two different things you find distasteful, like calling “apples” “broccoli” because you dislike both.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!
 
Sagefrakrobatik said:
Thats the way Ive heard it explain before.

Anyways here some other verses that might but it into context

Neither by reciting the vedas ( some say studying) nor by sacrifices (yajya) nor by studies,; neither alms giving nor by ritual (acts or kriyabhih) nor by tapas … can I be seen in this world of mortals

Also i have learned that within the spiritual herarchy of hinduism those who are higher up can see more details of the divine. So humans cant see as much of God as Demigods.
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“Maya” in Hinduism can mean many different things. In this Gita verse, “maya” does not refer to “illusion/deception”. In fact, I challenge you to find any verse in the Gita that defines “maya” in such a way. In the Gita, “maya” simply refers to the creative activity and the creative results of Krishna’s activity, which is just as real as anything else.

When “maya” is referred to as “illusion”, it happens within a particular school of Hinduism, called “Advaita Vedanta”. Advaita Vedantists interpret the “maya” in the Gita via their own interpretive lens, but that’s not the only lens Hindus have used throughout the centuries. (I myself don’t particularly care for talk about “illusion” when talking about “maya” – UNLESS one defines what you mean when you say “illusion”, which is another topic entirely.)
 
While we are on the subject of the Gita, one other verse comes to mind;

When goodness grows weak, When evil increases, I make myself a body. In every age i come back to deliver the holy. TO destroy the sin of the sinner, To establish the righteous.
Chapter 4 7-8
 
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