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Today on 3/14/08, I heard the daily Mass on EWTN, with the gospel reading from John 10.

The Jews are arguing with Jesus about whether He has blasphemed, and along the way Jesus says

"…scripture cannot be broken (KJV and NIV) [or nullified, RSV-CE] " John 10:35.
“…scripture cannot be rejected…” JB.

What a verse! The second edition RSV-CE is sparse on comments, but the NIV-Study says that Jesus is ratifying the entire old testament scripture. The context is a reference to Ps 82:6, as I recall, but Jesus drops the general bombshell that “scripture” (not just that scripture, I guess) cannot be broken or nullified.
 
These are some of my old time bible quotes. Maybe they’re some of yours, too.

Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out and jeered at him. “Go up, baldhead” they shouted, “Go up, baldhead!”…The prophet cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then 2 shebears came out of the wood and tore 42 of the children to pieces. (2Kings 2:23)

They must be dividing the spoils they took; there must be a damsel or 2 for each man (Judges 5:30)

The city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished (Zech. 14: 1-2)

Happy are those that seize your children and smash them against a rock. (Psalms 137:9)

Now kill all the boys and the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live. You may keep them for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17)

So both of Lots daughters became pregnant by their father (Gen. 19:30)

No one who’s testicles have been crushed or who’s penis has been cut off may be admitted into the community of the Lord. (Deut) 23:2)

Yes, the word of God is so beautiful and awe-inspiring!!! Jesus was right when he said of the Old Testament, "Scripture cannot be nullified.

Just give me some of that old-timey religion!!!
 
Thanks, Sophie, for your wonderful insight. :rolleyes:

As for me, give me the Prologue of John anytime.
*** 1 *** In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.*** 2 ****** He was in the beginning with God.****** 3 *** All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be. What came to be*** 4 ****** through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race;****** 5 *** the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.*** 6 *** A man named John was sent from God.*** 7 ****** He came for testimony, to testify to the light, so that all might believe through him.****** 8 ****** He was not the light, but came to testify to the light.****** 9 ****** The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.****** 10 ****** He was in the world, and the world came to be through him, but the world did not know him.****** 11 ****** He came to what was his own, but his own people did not accept him.****** 12 ****** But to those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to those who believe in his name,****** 13 who were born not by natural generation nor by human choice nor by a man’s decision but of God. 14 ****** And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth.****** 15 *** John testified to him and cried out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, ‘The one who is coming after me ranks ahead of me because he existed before me.’"*** 16 ****** From his fullness we have all received, grace in place of grace,*** *** 17 ****** because while the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.****** 18 ****** No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God, who is at the Father’s side, has revealed him.*******
 
From an epistle of Saint Peter:

“It is a holy God who calls you and you too must be holy in all the workings of your life.”
 
These are some of my old time bible quotes. Maybe they’re some of yours, too.
Sophie, it’s important to understand what all of these verses mean or are referring to. It’s easy to just read a verse here or there by itself and come up with all sorts of terrible connotations. I could do the same thing with some book you happened to think was beautiful, or I could do the reverse and quote a sentence of Mein Kampf to try to show that Hitler was a wonderfully loving man. Neither would represent the true nature of the work I was quoting.

For example:
Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out and jeered at him. “Go up, baldhead” they shouted, “Go up, baldhead!”…The prophet cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then 2 shebears came out of the wood and tore 42 of the children to pieces. (2Kings 2:23)
The “small boys” here is the translation of two Hebrew words, one referring simply to youth of any age - for example, it was used to describe Ishmael when he was 15 years old - and the other one referring to being lesser in any way - socially, physically, relative to another, etc. There are uses of these words in the Old Testament to refer to teenagers all the way to people in their late 20s. So the verse could refer to elementary aged children, or it could refer to poor teenagers, or any number of other things. However, the context clearly tells us that they weren’t elementary aged kids, but probably teenagers of some kind.

That context is this: they aren’t just making fun of Elisha because he’s bald. The insult tells him to “go up,” referring to Elijah’s going up to Heaven in a chariot, which had just happened. They’re making fun of his office of being a prophet. “Baldhead” has been interpreted as a similar reference. These boys were old enough to reccognize that he was a prophet, in other words.

Finally, there were at least forty-two of them, gathered outside the town. This was not the sort of thing children would be doing at all. Remember the age in which they lived. TO be outside of the town was a very dangerous thing to be doing. Those who study the time period suggest that information in the story suggests that this was probably the ancient equivalent of a street gang, people who had left their families to live as outlaws. They would have supported themselves by stealing from folks, andd would probably have been dangerous. Elisha’s life may have been at stake here.

This was a long write up, but it could have been longer. There’s more I didn’t include. My point is to show just how important the textual and historical context is.

Some brief comments on the rest:
They must be dividing the spoils they took; there must be a damsel or 2 for each man (Judges 5:30)
This is spoken by a Canaanite, not an Israelite.
The city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished (Zech. 14: 1-2)
This is what the enemies of Israel will do to her, not what Israel will do to anyone.
 
Happy are those that seize your children and smash them against a rock. (Psalms 137:9)
The psalmist is speaking about how fortunate the liberators of Israel will be to be able to take part in that wonderful act in history of freeing Israel from Babylon, in the same way that folks during World War II might have said, “What a privlege it would be to be on the army that finally defeats Hitler!” The psalmist is saying, “Happy are those who will free Israel!” Now it so happens that in this time period, one of the (barbaric) things people did in war was to smash children against rocks. In fact, it may have even been the sort of thing that was done when battles were about over, out of revelry. In other words, it may have been an act that signified victory.

The psalmist is saying, “Happy are you who gain victory over Babylon.” Instead of referring to the victory itself, he’s referring to one of actions that will be done during the course of the victory. He might have said “Happy are you who get to slay Babylon’s commander!” Or, “Happy are you who tear down the idols in the temple!” These are not victories themselves, but acts that make up the one victory he’s referring to. Why did he choose the most barbaric act he could? I can’t say I know.

One apologist gives a different take on this issue:
“How barbaric!” the skeptic gasps. As noted above, this is partly answered by noting the frankness and openness of the ancient mind. Actually we do think such things often today (lest the bigoted skeptic snort, “Well, we’re more advanced than those barbarians!”), if only fleetingly, and seldom repeat them in polite company. At any rate, such are simply typical expressions of Oriental imprecation. Rihbany (The Syrian Christ, 92ff) gives more modern examples: “May God burn the bones of your fathers”; “May your children be orphaned and your wife widowed”, and so on. Such wishes were expressed in clan fights and quarrels in Rihbany’s native Syria; and yet: “…the Syrians are not so cruel and heartless as such imprecations, especially when cast in cold type, would lead one to believe.” Such petitions actually serve a purpose as a “safety-valve” through which the Oriental vents his wrath. “As a rule the Orientals quarrel much, but fight little. By the time the two antagonists have cursed and reviled each other so profusely they cool off, and thus graver consequences are averted.” The Anglo-Saxon social order being more complex cannot resolve things so simply; yet the Oriental shudders at the Anglo- Saxon ready resort to fisticuffs. Who’s the barbarian after all? All of us! (For comparison, sci-fi fans may consider Alan Dean Foster’s book, Quozl, which depicted a peaceful society of beings who vented their hostilities through art with blood-curdling scenes of war.)
Now kill all the boys and the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live. You may keep them for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17)
A few important points. The women who are to be slain were the perpetrators of a plot aganst Israel. They came to the Israel camp and aggresively seduced the Israeli men into ritual sex acts done in worship of their fertility gods. The men contracted diseases from the women, as well. The women were being put to death for the sake of 1) punishment for their crime and 2) eliminating the disease.

The young girls who were kept were not kept as sex slaves, as the skeptical claim usually runs, but were adopted into the families of the Israelites in an act of mercy so that these virgins, who had committed no crimes, would not be left homeless.

This is a super quick treatment. If you would like a more in depth analysis, including treatment of several points I did not address here, please check out the fine article here.
So both of Lots daughters became pregnant by their father (Gen. 19:30)
An act which is condemnable, according to the Bible itself. This was an act of trickery done by Lot’s daughters, not something commanded by God. Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mockingbird says that black people were treated unjustly in the 1960s, but that doesn’t mean that she endorses or approves of it.
No one who’s testicles have been crushed or who’s penis has been cut off may be admitted into the community of the Lord. (Deut) 23:2)
This refers - based on the context and the Hebrew word choice - to the purposeful mutilation of the genitals for the sake of Pagan worship, not merely an injury.
Yes, the word of God is so beautiful and awe-inspiring!!! Jesus was right when he said of the Old Testament, "Scripture cannot be nullified.

Just give me some of that old-timey religion!!!
Sophie, if you do want to be of advanced civilization and all that, you’ll need to look at things based on reason and evidence, not merely quick hack-job quotations. I don’t know where you got this list from, but Sophie - it’s really bad. It’s one of the worst I’ve seen. Half of the verses are misnumbered, and a few of the quotations are from the enemies of Israel, not Israel itself. It looks like whoever made this list didn’t even bother to read any of the Bible at all, but just stole a few sentences out of it. Otherwise, they’d at least not quote terrible things that were done by the enemies of Israel. 🙂 I know you must be smarter than that. Get away from this nonsense, and find out what the Bible really says so you can make up your mind for yourself based on facts, not the dillusional hatred of others.

Peace and God bless 🙂
 
Here are two (out of several) verses that years ago woke me up to who the real “owner” of everything is - even our own purchased land and home. Was absolutely delighted to realize God was our Landlord.

*Psalm 50: 10-12 For every beast of the forest is Mine, the cattle on a thousand hills. I know all the birds of the air, and all that moves in the field is Mine, …for the world and all that is in it is Mine.

Jeremiah 27:5 It is I who by My great power and My outstretched arm have made the earth, …and I give it to whomever it seems right to Me.*

And then, this was the best of all:

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine.

Nita
 
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I don’t know where you got this list from, but Sophie - it’s really bad. It’s one of the worst I’ve seen. Half of the verses are misnumbered, and a few of the quotations are from the enemies of Israel, not Israel itself.

This is not a really bad list, but a really good list. All of the verses are correctly numbered. All you, or anyone, has to do is check them out in your bible, which obviously you did not do. Please be honest.

Many of these passages are not from the enemies of Isreal, but the Lord Himself. Once again, check them out. Even if they were from Isreal’s enemies, would that mean it’s o’k for God to commit all sorts of horrible genocide against non-Jews? That would be a “kill the infidels, those not of our religion” mentality. But that is what the Old Testament basically is, a “God kills the infidel” book, if read with reason and evidence.
 
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This is what the enemies of Israel will do to her, not what Israel will do to anyone.
One example of your misunderstanding of scripture. This is not what the enemies of Isreal will do to her. This is what the Lord will do to Jerusalem. Zech. 14:2 - “And I (meaning the Lord) will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished.”

You may be like many people who never really READ the bible to discover what is really in it and how vile and nasty it can be.
 
One example of your misunderstanding of scripture. This is not what the enemies of Isreal will do to her. This is what the Lord will do to Jerusalem. Zech. 14:2 - “And I (meaning the Lord) will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished.”

You may be like many people who never really READ the bible to discover what is really in it and how vile and nasty it can be.
Your post is a first for me.
Until now, I’ve never heard anyone describe the Bible as vile or nasty.
 
Hi Sophie,
One example of your misunderstanding of scripture. This is not what the enemies of Isreal will do to her. This is what the Lord will do to Jerusalem. Zech. 14:2 - “And I (meaning the Lord) will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished.”
Yes, God in the sense that He allowed it to happen; He did not intervene to prevent it’s occurrence.
However, several thousand years ago, human understanding (and verbalization of that understanding) was different. What happened, especially in war, was attributed ultimately to the power of a particular nation’s God/gods. When God talks to people, He takes into account their “mentality”.
An example of the mentality of that era - and the way they expressed it:
*1 Kings 20:23 And the servants of the king of Syria said to him, "Their gods are gods of the hills, and so they were stronger than we; but let us fight against them in the plain, and surely we shall be stronger than they…20:28 And a man of God came near and said to the king of Israel, “Thus says the LORD, Because the Syrians have said, “The LORD is a god of the hills but he is not a god of the valleys,” therefore I will give all this great multitude into your hand, and you shall know that I am the LORD.’” ) *

But, even back then they didn’t believe it was God who was personally doing the fighting, plundering, ravishing; they knew it was their human enemies.
You may be like many people who never really READ the bible to discover what is really in it and how vile and nasty it can be.
I have read the bible, all of it, more than once. So I know what is in it, not just the nice, easy to understand parts - but the tough confusing parts (some of which you referenced). At the time I was reading, I didn’t have all the reference books I now have , or even know such things existed (let alone have the internet that’s available today). What I had was a belief that 1) God is, 2) Scripture is His word, 3) He is all-good, 4) He alone is the one who knows and determines truth.

So, I went to Him with the “vile and nasty” sections - knowing that they were true - but true in a way that would not conflict with His being all-good and all-loving - true in a way I just couldn’t comprehend. “God, help me understand.” He did.

My advice to you is to do the same. Go to Him, pray - but keep searching and studying.

God bless you,
Nita
 
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