Verses of Rajam

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Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

After Muhammad’s death, the Caliph Umar gave his inaugural address to the gathered Muslim community in Medina. Of all the topics he could have chosen, Umar decided to devote this historic sermon to the adultery penalty:

Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the holy book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the verse of Rajam (the stoning of married persons, male and female, who commit adultery) and we did recite this verse and understood and memorized it. Allah’s Apostle did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him. I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say “By Allah’s Book”, we do not find the Verse of Rajam in Allah’s Book, and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed.

Question is, where is this verse ? If the quran does not prescribe stoning for adultery, why is it part of sharia law ?
 
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Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

After Muhammad’s death, the Caliph Umar gave his inaugural address to the gathered Muslim community in Medina. Of all the topics he could have chosen, Umar decided to devote this historic sermon to the adultery penalty:

Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the holy book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the verse of Rajam (the stoning of married persons, male and female, who commit adultery) and we did recite this verse and understood and memorized it. Allah’s Apostle did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him. I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say “By Allah’s Book”, we do not find the Verse of Rajam in Allah’s Book, and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed.

Question is, where is this verse ? If the quran does not prescribe stoning for adultery, why is it part of sharia law ?
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Islaamic Shariah rules about abrogation نسخ and abrogated منسوخ. Abu Dawood رحمة الله عليه, Ibn Majah رحمة الله عليه, Musnad Ahmad رحمة الله عليه, Ruh-ul-Ma’ni, and Imaam Razi رحمة الله عليه, in his Tafsîr has quoted on the authority of Umar رضی الله عنه that there was an Ayaah آيه in the Glorious Qur’aan about stoning. Readers must know that Umar رضی الله عنه did not tell the wording of that Ayaah آيه about stoning, nor did he tell that if there is a separate Ayaah آيه beside the Ayaah آيه in Surah Noor سورة النور and why it is not included in the Glorious Qur’aan. He only said that if there was no risk involved that people would put a blame on him of making addition in the Book of Allaah, he would have written this verse on a corner of the Qur’aan (al-Nasai’). Another point to be noted that Umar رضی الله عنه did not say that he would have included this verse in the Qur’aan. But before one jumps the gun, he must know that Islaamic Shariah rule about Naskh نسخ includes: Naskh نسخ of recitation and not the commandment. There are also very few Ayaat آيات is Glorious Qur’aan which are recited but command have been abrogated.

Can we call this verse the Qur’aan?

The answer is no, we cannot call and/or consider it the Qur’aan. For Glorious Qur’aan Tawatur تواتر (continuity) is a must. The Glorious Qur’aan is defined as,

انه الكلام المعجزُ المنزلُ علی النّبى
المكتوب فى المصاحف المنقول باتواتر، المتعبد بتلاوته“It is the word of Allaah, miraculous, revealed on the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم, written in Mus-haf مصحاف, passed on from generation to generation with Tawatur تواتر (continuity)[recitation of which is done as a worship].”

Tawatur تواتر (continuity) means that something is passed on in such as way that in each generation its narrators and/or reciters are so numerous that they cannot be counted and it is logically impossible for so many people living in different parts of the world to get united for telling a lie and/or making a mistake. For an Ayaah آيه (verse) to be a part of Qur’aan this Tawatur تواتر (continuity) is must. Therefore, only those Ayaat آيات of the Glorious Qur’aan which have come to us from Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم by Tawatur تواتر (continuity) are recited as the Qur’aan. An interesting fact must be mentioned here that Jews and especially Christians cannot produce the Tawatur تواتر (continuity) for their scriptures, tracing their scriptures back to Moses and/or Jesus and/or any other Biblical prophets etc. beside making hollow claims.

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So if this verse is not in the Quran, why is stoning the selected Sharia punishment for adultery ?
 
So if this verse is not in the Quran, why is stoning the selected Sharia punishment for adultery ?
 
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un_dhimmi:
So if this verse is not in the Quran, why is stoning the selected Sharia punishment for adultery ?
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Hi there

On the authority of Sunnah, since Islam has two legs i.e. Qur’an and Sunnah. Sunnah also includes “Wahy Ghayr-Matluw” which is not recited and is not the Qur’an. The Qur’an is “Wahy Matluw” that is recited. One must understand these aspects of Qur’anic sciences to have an understanding.

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Preacher
 
So the quran (supposedly the unchanged Word of God) prescribes whipping or something similar but customs dictate stoning, and customs overrule the Word of God.

Curiouser and curiouser.
 
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un_dhimmi:
So the quran (supposedly the unchanged Word of God) prescribes whipping or something similar but customs dictate stoning, and customs overrule the Word of God.

Curiouser and curiouser.
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Hi there

Are you dyslexics? Because your post entertain the idea that you are. Since you failed to comprehend the English translation of the Qur’an. I have already answered you, and that is the bottom line. You don’t have to like it; you have to live with it. Since Islam and its laws are a reality and not a soap opera that can be canceled by the network.

Regards
Preacher
 
there is no rajma in shariaa nor in the quran
all what has been said is false
the rajem is mentioned in the old testemant
so the jewish followed it at that time
and the christians that followed believed in all the bible in certain regions did too.
as for islam the man and women adultary are wipped yes wipped
it’s painfull but in no case it will lead to permenant harm
and furthermore the womens wipped only if there is a proof and to have a proof u must have more than 1 witness ;
and finally kafir means infiddel , to be kafir means not to beleif in God,so don’t beleive anybody that takes a nickname kafir ;
as for those who pretend to be muslim by saying salam … and bismilla and… sala llah 3alayh wa salam …puh… it’s untrue beware of these wikked people and don’t beleive what they tell u go check really islamic sites for answers
 
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Preacher:
Abu Dawood رحمة الله عليه, Ibn Majah رحمة الله عليه, Musnad Ahmad رحمة الله عليه, Ruh-ul-Ma’ni, and Imaam Razi رحمة الله عليه, in his Tafsîr has quoted on the authority of Umar رضی الله عنه that there was an Ayaah آيه in the Glorious Qur’aan about stoning.

hello
thank u for ure explenation
but what we should know too that
in the hadith we have hadith corrupted due to the wrong transmission of what was told by the prophet (we can consider this wrong transmission equivalent to the bible transmission even better sometimes)
but here u notice that u are quoting on umar after 5 persons
which i find personly a little bit not ideal specially that it is omar and not the prophet , otherwise may God (for the ignorants people: allah means GOD) help u explaining the problems the users are finding
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So why did the prophet advocate stoning if it is not in the quran ?
 
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