Versions of prayers of the rosary

[codefro]

I think I know the answer, but just checking:

Does it matter which updated version of prayers we use? For example an older version of the Apostles Creed as opposed to the updated version of the Apostles Creed right now. Basically adding in thees, thous, Holy Ghost instead of Holy Spirit, etc.

Is it allowed by the Church to use these older versions?

 

[Basilios]

I think I know the answer, but just checking:

Does it matter which updated version of prayers we use? For example an older version of the Apostles Creed as opposed to the updated version of the Apostles Creed right now. Basically adding in thees, thous, Holy Ghost instead of Holy Spirit, etc.

Is it allowed by the Church to use these older versions?

Of course. I only ever use Holy Ghost. I find the ‘updated’ English to be too profane and modern for my liking. Praying to God and Our Lady in thee’s and thou’s makes me feel a bit more pious even though I’m not But I understand if people don’t really do it, it doesn’t matter either way before someone starts accusing me of saying something different.
What I do find wrong though is those really updated prayers they started teaching kids in the 70’s. I know someone in his fifties who prays the Our Father like so: Our Father in Heaven, blessed is your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as in Heaven. Give us today all our needs, and forgive our sins as we forgive others, save us from our trials and from all evil, amen. Now that is straight up prayer butchery!

 

[porthos11]

I think I know the answer, but just checking:

Does it matter which updated version of prayers we use? For example an older version of the Apostles Creed as opposed to the updated version of the Apostles Creed right now. Basically adding in thees, thous, Holy Ghost instead of Holy Spirit, etc.

Is it allowed by the Church to use these older versions?

The Rosary is not liturgical prayer; it is therefore permitted to use any approved or customary forms of the prayers used. You can use the old Apostles Creed, the 1973 ICET Apostles Creed or the 2011 ICEL Apostles Creed. You can say your Hail Mary’s with thou and thy, or you and your. You can say Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit. You can say Glory to the Father or Glory be to the Father, and you can end with “ever shall be be world without end” or “will be forever.” You can include the Fatima prayer or omit.

 

[otjm]

The Rosary is not liturgical prayer; it is therefore permitted to use any approved or customary forms of the prayers used. You can use the old Apostles Creed, the 1973 ICET Apostles Creed or the 2011 ICEL Apostles Creed. You can say your Hail Mary’s with thou and thy, or you and your. You can say Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit. You can say Glory to the Father or Glory be to the Father, and you can end with “ever shall be be world without end” or “will be forever.” You can include the Fatima prayer or omit.

And you can say 1 decade, several, 5 or more. You can say the Glorious, Joyful, Sorrowful, and/or Luminous mysteries, and while there may be days that traditionally one or the other would be said, it doesn’t matter.

And it does not matter if you are saying them as you go to sleep and do not complete them, or if you are otherwise interrupted and do not complete them.

What matters is that you say them prayerfully.

 

[Sebrina]

I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but I have a question that would pertain to the rosary being said.

Does it still mean as much when said silently, or must some/most of it be said aloud? I ask because I say my rosary at night, and don’t want to wake anyone up saying it out loud. Also, I do feel more comfortable praying “in my head” rather than out loud. Thanks in advance

 

[SMHW]

Does it still mean as much when said silently, or must some/most of it be said aloud? I ask because I say my rosary at night, and don’t want to wake anyone up saying it out loud. Also, I do feel more comfortable praying “in my head” rather than out loud. Thanks in advance

If you are praying the rosary privately it doesn’t matter whether the rosary is said silently, out loud, or some combination thereof. And if praying the rosary out loud would disturb those around you then it would be polite to pray silently.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but I have a question that would pertain to the rosary being said.

Does it still mean as much when said silently, or must some/most of it be said aloud? I ask because I say my rosary at night, and don’t want to wake anyone up saying it out loud. Also, I do feel more comfortable praying “in my head” rather than out loud. Thanks in advance

No, it doesn’t matter if you say the rosary aloud - there is no extra power in saying it aloud v. silently. If there is a group praying the rosary together, then obviously it is going to be said aloud, but when you are alone, you have your choice. I sometimes say the rosary silently in adoration, where saying it aloud would disturb others. (Have said a few decades silently in really boring meetings, too!)

 

[johnthebaptist1]

I just want you to know that I use the old and new version,when I say the Rosary.

 

[Domnall]

I think everyone was right in saying that since the Rosary is a private prayer, you’re welcome to use any translation you’d like.

However, just a note on the term “Holy Ghost.” When the Bible was translated first into English, the word ghost meant what the word spirit means today. Likewise, the word spirit meant a phantasm.

So, there is no real sense in saying “Holy Ghost” now, because the word ghost has a different meaning in modern English.

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As to Latin vocabulary, the word in latin for ghost is umbra and the word for spirit is well, spiritus!

 

[Evan]

I will use Ghost as long as I will be using Holy. I also refer, in the creed, to 'the quick and the dead’ rather than that new fangled ‘the living and the dead’. Since I know the Pater Noster in Latin, I occasionally chant it.

For my ghostly growth, I have also starting saying the Angelus. It allows me more time for contemplation and is let wordy.

With all the spiritualists these days, spirit has the same meaning as ghost. I’m ghostly, not spiritual or religious

 

[cothrige]

What I do find wrong though is those really updated prayers they started teaching kids in the 70’s. I know someone in his fifties who prays the Our Father like so: Our Father in Heaven, blessed is your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as in Heaven. Give us today all our needs, and forgive our sins as we forgive others, save us from our trials and from all evil, amen. Now that is straight up prayer butchery!

Ugh, isn’t that stuff awful? I really can’t get into it. It reminds me too much of those dreadful contemporary Masses I grew up with in the Episcopal Church. That Our Father had a bizarre updating of things like temptation to the mysterious ‘time of trial,’ whatever that is. But, strangely, it kept hallowed, which is very modern indeed. Very weird stuff, and it sounded awful. Just awful. (I still miss the language of the Eucharist Rite One prayers though. Nothing has ever matched them in my opinion. “Let us give thanks unto our Lord God. It is meet and right so to do” Gorgeous. Ours doesn’t come close, IMHO.)