Very bad experience in Church

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Despite my best efforts over the past 18 months or so, I’m still not Catholic, nor are my children, and after tonight I suppose we may never be.

We live in Hong Kong, in a small village in the mountains. We aren’t Chinese. I’m American, my wife is Indian. My eight-year-old son has tuberous sclerosis complex, a congenital disease that affects development. His six-year old sister is a normal, healthy child. We’ve been attending Catholic Church on Sunday mornings since Dec 2010. My wife does not object, but neither does she wish to attend.

There are Sunday school classes for the kids, although these are irregular. Sometimes the teacher does not appear for weeks. But when the classes happen, the children enjoy them. The routine is very nice. The school lets out about halfway through the mass. When the children come in, they are invited to come up to the front to hold hands and recite the Lord’s prayer.

Early last year I emailed the Church to ask them about bringing my family into the Catholic Church. I was told I first need to convert myself, and to do that I should attend the "Alpha’ classes. I’d just missed the classes, though, and would have to wait until September. In August I emailed again, and was told they had not found anyone to teach the classes, but they would start in February. Alas, when I contacted the church in February, I was told the classes had begun in September after all.

So last Sunday I approached a man who had been friendly with the children and me, and asked him if there might be some other way to start bringing my family more formally into the Catholic community. He suggested that I bring the children to Saturday evening mass. It is was smaller and cozier, he said, with more westerners, and easier to meet people who might be interested in sponsoring us.

So I brought the children to church this evening, It was crowded. First there were some baptisms. Then the woman at the podium said “will the children please come up to the front with their sponsors”. I figured this was like the Sunday ritual, and the children would stand in the front near the priest, hold hands and say the Lord’s prayer.

So I bring the children up, and everyone is staring at us. Then people started hissing at us. Seriously. Finally the woman who had made the announcement approached us and asked us to sit down. We did not realise we had crashed a confirmation.

We tried to recover our seats as soon as possible, but no one wanted to let us through. We literally fled the church.

Definitely one of the worst, most humiliating experiences of my life. Fortunately my son has the cognitive age of a three year old, and my daughter is too young to understand what happened.

But I now dread the thought of ever going back into that church.
 
I really don’t know what to say. That’s terrible and I’m sorry you have been treated so poorly.

I’ll pray for you and your family.

Maybe make an appointment with the priest?
 
Relax, it’s Ok. It was an honest mistake and I understand your confusion.

I suggest you talk to the PRIEST. Make an appointment. Do not be deterred by secretaries, parishioners, or anyone else. You have been talking to the wrong people. It is he priest and priest alone you should sit down with and talk through everything.

I am sure you are embarrassed about getting up in front of people at the wrong place/time, but I encourage you to go back. Time heals all wounds, even embarrassment.
 
I agree with 1ke. Also, sometimes when we work to answer God’s invitation to become closer to Him things happen to pull us further. It is the nature of humanity. Please continue to work on your Call and the call of your family and you will be at peace.
 
Relax, it’s Ok. It was an honest mistake and I understand your confusion.

I suggest you talk to the PRIEST. Make an appointment. Do not be deterred by secretaries, parishioners, or anyone else. You have been talking to the wrong people. It is he priest and priest alone you should sit down with and talk through everything.

I am sure you are embarrassed about getting up in front of people at the wrong place/time, but I encourage you to go back. Time heals all wounds, even embarrassment.
Thanks, I know you mean well.

I have emailed the priest a few times, but it always his secretary who replies. I’ve tried to make contact with him after church, and we do greet him after services every week, but I’ve failed to establish any connection.

In 18 months we’ve missed maybe two Sundays. We’ve attended church picnics & coffees. We really have tried to become part of the Catholic community.

I have to come to terms with reality. After all that time, we still are not part of the community. No one has invited us to their home. No one has accepted our invitations. And now I must live with the memory of people hissing at me and my children. I just don’t think I can get passed this.
 
That sounds so awful! I am ashamed that you have been treated this way in a Catholic Church. It sounds like maybe the particular community you belong to is way too big for the number of clergy and staff to handle? It also sounds extremely disorganized.

Please don’t give up. It’s so admirable that you have chosen to enter the Church and that you have been persistent for 18 straight months. It shouldn’t be this hard, but try to view it as an opportunity to grow in virtue in patience–a wonderful example for you to give your family about the sacrifice it sometimes takes to pursue Truth.

Maybe after you are finally received into the Church you should try take over their Catechesis program to help other newbies 😃
 
By the way, do you think you will be living in this village for a long time to come? If you move eventually you’ll have more options for Catholic churches to choose from, and that would be a good thing.
 
I am so sorry you had to go through this. But as a craddle Catholic, I am not surprised. The church is full of humans who always fall short.

It is obvious you have a strong calling to become Catholic. And I offer no practical advise because I am not in your shoes. But please… I beg you, don’t let the sin of humans interfer with your relationship with God. Pray to God for strenght, He will take care of you in the end

CM
 
So so sorry about your experience.

Please Pristine, stay at least for this time in this community and continue to grow in faith and knowledge. This is a great site for your own catechetical growth. And then, with God’s grace, you will be able to enter the church in a more welcoming community. I’m certain that your experiences will enable you to help others and you will be a vehicle for change (as far as welcoming) goes.

I also pray for the people of that parish, and the priest, that they recognize Christ’s commission to us!
 
First I want to say I’m so sorry for how poorly you and your children were treated. There is no excuse for that at all, whether you got up at the wrong time or not! Mistakes happen, it is part of being human. Their reaction to it was ridiculous, childish, and just plain MEAN.

I pray that you do not give up. God has obviously put it on your heart to be a part of the Catholic Church. I had a lot of setbacks as well over the two years when I was trying to become Catholic and at times it was extremely frustrating. But I knew what God wanted me to do, and I think you know what God wants you to do, too. I will pray that you have the strength to continue on with your faith journey into the Catholic Church. Is there any other Catholic Church nearby that you could attend and see if it is better for you?

Praying for you and your family!!
 
Jeff Cavins once said (I might be paraphrasing), “If you find the perfect Church, run.”

I left the Catholic Church for many reasons, and my excuse was the hypocrites and snots that attended my parish. Then I read C.S. Lewis’s “Screwtape Letters”, and his fictional devil encouraged his trainee to lead people away from God by getting them to focus on the faults of those around them. I recognized myself. Now that I’m back in the Church, I realize that everyone is at a different place in their journey and spiritual development, and that I shouldn’t judge them for it. They may become great someday. Just pray for the patience to accept them where they are at.

Are cultural differences causing difficulties? Just a thought. I wouldn’t give up, because from the outside, it looks to me as if God has something special in mind for you. It’s possible “someone else” other than God is throwing these challenges in your path, which must mean the enemy doesn’t want you to complete your journey. That would be encouragement enough for me.

Sometimes when we refuse to back down easily, the enemy backs off. Sometimes he ups his attacks, but God always gives us the graces to make it through. The fact that some of these situations involve those you love most, your children, is what makes me think you’re being “attacked”. I’ve seen how the enemy has tried to lead friends away from God through their children, and once they woke up to the fact, their faith became unbreakable.

I hope this didn’t sound nutty, and I hope it helped. I’ve
 
Oh, you are having a hard time!

I would suggest definitely persisting in talking with the priest. Make an appointment during the week if you have to. You could ask him after Mass the best way to do that.

If you can’t reach the priest for some reason, call the diocese and ask how you can be recieved into the Church. It may be that you can receive private instruction or similar until you are ready, and then you can enter any time, not having to wait until Easter, but that may vary by diocese.

I really suggest to people to persist because it seems like a lot of priests don’t know much about receiving people into the Church or helping them return, and so it seems to be difficult. I myself tried to return a couple of times but didn’t know what to do and didn’t persist, and that’s why I suggest persistance–there is someone out there who can help you!

It is very unfortunate about what happened that Saturday, and I imagine that as a family you really stand out, which makes you feel worse. But I’ll be honest–in a few weeks it will be forgotten at the Saurday Mass, and the Sunday Mass people probably won’t even know about it. If anyone ever asks you about it, you can just say you were unfamiliar with the situation, not being Catholic, and thought it was like the Sunday Mass. But it’s unlikely that they’ll even think about it.

As to socializing… when I lived in town with my children, it was very difficult to socialize. My children were homeschooled, and it seemed like other parents thought their children had so many activities set up for their children that they didn’t have time–it was strange, but I heard from many others that they had the same problem (unfortunately, they were in other places!)

Then when we moved to a very small town in a rural area, everyone was so accustomed to just being friends with people they’d grown up with or were related to that again, not a lot of socializing.

I hope this all works out for you and your family.
 
Catholics are not perfect and we can be rude and uncharitable and many other things to boot. If you are looking for a perfect Church, the Catholic Church is it. But if you are looking for perfect Christians, you’ll never find a church, Catholic or otherwise. Perfect Christians are only found in heaven.
 
Look for another congregation. Thats my advice.
You need a community and unfortunately many Catholic parishes are not good at that vital aspect of the Christian Gospel. So I hope you find another better parish where they know what it means to be Church.

God bless your search.
 
I am so dreadfully sorry about your experience there.😊:console::imsorry: There is no excuse for such behavior. May I ask, how long will you be living in this village? If you are truly stuck there, I would suggest that you continue to try to get an appointment with the priest. I’m sure there must be some compassionate people there, and will pray earnestly that they come forward to treat you as Christ’s beloveds.

Please keep trying to get an appointment with the priest there. If you cannot get in to see the parish priest, please email /write of your experience to the appropriate Bishop. My hope is that some kind of classes will be available for you and your dear children. Please do not think that this kind of behavior is representative of true Catholics. My heart goes out to you. What a wonderful father you are to care so deeply. I hope you’ll return to the forums and let us know how long you may have to be in this village, and if you are to remain there for awhile, that you will let us know of your progress.
All love and best prayers,:heaven::grouphug::hug1::harp:
Kathryn Ann
 
This is just an addendum to my earlier post: Again, my heart goes out to you.:angel1::gopray2:

I see you stated that you live in a small mountain village in Hong Kong. As I am not familiar at all with that area, I found a link of Catholic parishes. My worry is that are in an isolated village, but just in case, here is a list I found: I hope you will return to the forum and let us know of your progress.

It would be good if your priest could take the time to talk with you, and that some friendly people in your present parish would befriend you and your dear family. If not, and if any of these are near you, this is the only list I could find and hope it is up to date. I imagine you could check things out on the internet.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_churches_in_Hong_Kong

Blessings,
Kathryn Ann:heaven:
 
Catholics are not perfect and we can be rude and uncharitable and many other things to boot. If you are looking for a perfect Church, the Catholic Church is it. But if you are looking for perfect Christians, you’ll never find a church, Catholic or otherwise. Perfect Christians are only found in heaven.
Amen to this!
 
I’m sorry about your bad experience. Just remember that not all Catholic Churches (or priests) are the same. My family and I were treated badly at one Church, but at every other Catholic Church we’ve been to, our experiences have been good. Don’t give up just because you’ve had a bad experience at one Catholic Church.
 
The fac that you took the time to post about your experiences is encouraging. I am so sorry you had to go through that.

I would try contacting the diocese, and being respectfully blunt about what happened. St. Paul admonishes us to “Practice hospitality…” and “Suffer fools gladly.” There is never an excuse for rudeness, even to our enemies.

But I have been in Hong Kong several times, and I have had occasion to deal with some extremely rude people, especially in Kowloon, although,admittedly, not in the context of the Church. Although, I have a very deep affection for Chinese people, there are times when they do not treat westerners well. (This is not as true on the Mainland, in my experience.)

Please don’t give-up on the Catholic Church.
 
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