Very difficult moral dilema (drugs to satisfy church teaching)

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Men, as they age (not all but statistically most) become less and less in “control” of thier ability to “perform” (as we understand it) in the marital embrace.

Given the Catholic teaching of (assuming this is the Catholic teaching of course) the marital embrace must end in a manner condusive to life (i.e. seed deposited in the correct place). Ability to “perform” in this manner may become compromised as the male enters later years of life.

However, said man may have been moderately successful in the first part of the marital embrace session but became less succesful as the session was about to close. Said man (and loving wife) may find themselves in a situation where arousal is high but the possiblity of the proper “finish” was lost.

It seems, according to Catholic teaching one must now walk away from the marital embrace in a profound state of sexual frustration ( the seesion could still finish without frustration but not in the manner taught by the church).

Assuming the above to be a factual situation. The married couple is now faced with very few options and a difficult moral dilema. The most obvious being; never attempt a love making seesion again because it will end in deep frustration (seems a cruel solution). Another being; go to the doctor and get a pill that will allow the technicality of the church’s teaching to be fullfilled (the finish is appropriate, the seed is deposited in the correct place).

This seems wrong. To me it seems to be natural evidence in a flaw of catholic teaching. i.e… obtain drugs to maintain faithfullness to the church. Without the drugs, the sex life is over.

Any thoughts? Come on now I dare ya.
 
I don’t see the moral dilemma here. :confused:

Using modern medicine, in this case pharmacology, in order to accomplish a natural act correctly, is not in the least morally questionable.

Odd parallel, but think of it this way:

Stool softeners are never under moral scrutiny; they are “unnatural” suppliments or mediations given to aid a natural process.

As long as such pharmacological assistance isn’t solely for the reasons that are listed in many spam emails (bigger, better, longer lasting, etc.) i.e. are being used solely to enhance a normally functioning…system…but rather are used to enable a normally functioning…system…where’s the dilemma?
 
I agree with Newbie2, there is no moral dilemma in taking drugs to allow normal sexual function, anymore than any other drug that allows normal functioning.

If the man does not wish to take the drug, they may still attempt relations, and if it isn’t possible to finish the act, there is no sin as long as they intended to finish in the appropriate way. They take the risk of a frustrating conclusion.

Either approach is moral.

God Bless
 
I also don’t see the problem. Impotence is a medical condition, and the drug relieves the medical condition. It’s no more morally questionable than taking aspirin.
 
Go for it bro! It’s the most loving act you can do for your wife!
 
I wonder if the moral dilemma posed isn’t whether or not it is moral to take drugs to satisfy church teaching. Rather, I think the OP might be posing an argument against this particular church teaching because the only satisfying way to morally resolve the situation is to involve something unnatural, namely, the drugs.

That being said, I don’t think it poses a problem, since drugs are morally allowed to fix medical conditions, and because a lot of the problems we find in creation today were not intended by the Creator when he initially created. We wouldn’t need drugs for anything if we were still in Eden. The Church wins!
 
Firstly - what is church teaching? It is that intercourse must occur in a way which is open to life - in simplest and bluntest terms penis-in-vagina at some stage.

Now if a couple commences the act and the man cannot (by natural means) achieve this, there is no sin involved, and no breach of church teaching. Any more than if, for example, he unexpectedly ‘finished’ too early and without a chance for said p-i-v to occur. The man is not expected to have such complete mastery of his own body that he is responsible to that extent for what happens between the sheets.

So there is, as I see it, no need to take drugs to satisfy church teaching. If he cannot have intercourse, he cannot and is not obliged to take drugs and try to do so. If he tries and cannot finish, again, he cannot, and is not obliged to take drugs to do that either.

If he cannot, but wants to, and can do so with the aid of drugs there is nothing wrong with doing so.
 
This might sound silly but doesn’t it make you feel bad for the billions of men who came and went before modern medicine? And all probably thinking, they are the only one.
 
Mijoy2 said:
If a moderator reads this and finds it to be too graphical for a forum such as this. please simply delete it.

Men, as they age (not all but statistically most) become less and less in “control” of thier ability to “perform” (as we understand it) in the marital embrace.

Given the Catholic teaching of (assuming this is the Catholic teaching of course) the marital embrace must end in a manner condusive to life (i.e. seed deposited in the correct place). Ability to “perform” in this manner may become compromised as the male enters later years of life.

However, said man may have been moderately successful in the first part of the marital embrace session but became less succesful as the session was about to close. Said man (and loving wife) may find themselves in a situation where arousal is high but the possiblity of the proper “finish” was lost.

It seems, according to Catholic teaching one must now walk away from the marital embrace in a profound state of sexual frustration ( the seesion could still finish without frustration but not in the manner taught by the church).

Assuming the above to be a factual situation. The married couple is now faced with very few options and a difficult moral dilema. The most obvious being; never attempt a love making seesion again because it will end in deep frustration (seems a cruel solution). Another being; go to the doctor and get a pill that will allow the technicality of the church’s teaching to be fullfilled (the finish is appropriate, the seed is deposited in the correct place).

This seems wrong. To me it seems to be natural evidence in a flaw of catholic teaching. i.e… obtain drugs to maintain faithfullness to the church. Without the drugs, the sex life is over.

Any thoughts? Come on now I dare ya.
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Don’t be frustrated. There has been no intention to sin in your case. As you say the aging thing is normal. Don’t take drugs… accept things and enjoy the embrace of your wife. Do your best thats all, and nothing more will be asked of you:)
 
I think the OP is not asking about the use of drugs to get the husband in the proper mood and stature, but that the husband might not be able to ejaculate vaginally under normal vaginal intercourse. The OP is asking about other means of manipulation to allow the husband to ejaculate.

I think.

Eddie Mac
 
Eddie_Mac said:
I think the OP is not asking about the use of drugs to get the husband in the proper mood and stature, but that the husband might not be able to ejaculate vaginally under normal vaginal intercourse. The OP is asking about other means of manipulation to allow the husband to ejaculate.

I think.

Eddie Mac
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yes. You think correctly.

Which means at the height of arousal the choice becomes
  1. one must call it off or
    2)violate church teaching.
Which leads to the question what what to the next time: never try again because the frustration is simply too large to have to experience again, or resort to drugs to illeviate the potential for failure.

So to attempt to summarize, the choice becomes never try again or take drugs. The fact that these are the two alternatives seems difficult to accept. In order to be good catholics one may find himself in a postion where he must take drugs…or abstain for the rest of his life of course. You’d think that only good would come from following church teachings. This example contradicts this hope.
 
Mijoy2 said:
yes. You think correctly.

Which means at the height of arousal the choice becomes
  1. one must call it off or
    2)violate church teaching.
Which leads to the question what what to the next time: never try again because the frustration is simply too large to have to experience again, or resort to drugs to illeviate the potential for failure.

So to attempt to summarize, the choice becomes never try again or take drugs. The fact that these are the two alternatives seems difficult to accept. In order to be good catholics one may find himself in a postion where he must take drugs…or abstain for the rest of his life of course. You’d think that only good would come from following church teachings. This example contradicts this hope.
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You miss a third choice, try it w/o drugs, but be willing to call it off if it doesn’t work.

Only spiritual good comes from following Church teachings, but you can’t seriously believe that to be true about the material world?

The sheer number of martyrs that have died often gruesome deaths shows the high costs that often accompany faithfullness to God. High costs in this world, which will be repaid a thousand fold in the next.

God Bless
 
Mijoy2 said:
It seems, according to Catholic teaching one must now walk away from the marital embrace in a profound state of sexual frustration ( the seesion could still finish without frustration but not in the manner taught by the church).
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If it can be “finished” in a manner not taught by the Church, what prohibits it from being “finished” in a manner that is taught by the Church?
 
Maybe God did not design us to have sex until we drop dead at age 120. To everything there is a time and a season under heaven. A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing. Accept each of the seasons in your life.
 
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