Very few make it to heaven?

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What does this mean…Jesus said this at one time in the bible…I am suffering greatly over this lately…
 
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Are you referring to the Chosen Few? Yes this refers to an elite group of people such as myself who are rating way above average on the Scale of Christian performance. God is looking for special forces, commando style Christians who go the extra mile.
Do you think you fit that category?
 
Remember, those are private Revelations. You’re not obligated to believe them.
 
The only way to go to hell is to die with unrepentant mortal sin on your soul. Those not in hell will make it to heaven (purgatory is not eternal).
 
Technically, that would also condemns ALL of humanity prior to the Sacraments. So, there’s a bit more…
 
You should not be afraid. You should rejoice because the Savior is come.

What make you said that?
 
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What does this mean…Jesus said this at one time in the bible…I am suffering greatly over this lately
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Don’t suffer but rejoice if you’ve surrendered your life to Christ.

Revelation 7:9-17
The Multitude from Every Nation
9 After this I looked, and there was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, robed in white, with palm branches in their hands. 10 They cried out in a loud voice, saying,

“Salvation belongs to our God who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb…
 
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A man was an unrepentant sinner all his adult life. He lied, cheated, stole, and flouted the law. Eventually the authorities caught up with him and punished him severely, to the point of capital punishment. With his few final breaths he turned to the man similarly condemned and asked for a simple remembrance. And Christ promised him paradise.
I really can’t see how a God that loving and merciful is going to allow only a few into heaven.
My $.02.
 
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This is the prime reason I left the church. Any “God” that allows us to be fallen creatures but is too harsh to give us a chance is logically irrational. I’m not talking a chance as in a shot I mean a legit shake. I always pictures God as a loving parent who asks you when you die “Did you learn something.” and if you can say yes then its okay.

But,

when the Fatima letters depicts Lucia asking about a dead friend from Mary (we are talking about a child here) and the blessed mother says she was saved but in purgatory till the end of time…

WTH did a child do to earn that?

so sorry fake God but I’m out.
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I have a couple of issues with your thinking:

1- God allows all of us (including the Angels) to possess free will to love and worship Him. Also, we should be grateful for God allowing us to be “fallen creatures” which means we still have a chance to make up here and now by taking on Christ’s salvation, unlike Lucifer and his minions. And this is called the unconditional love… not of “any” God, but the one and only true God; the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - the Almighty Father.

2- God asking you if you’ve learned something at the end of the day (death)? Don’t you think it’s unfair to Satan? Do you know the difference between why Lucifer and his devils will never be forgiven, and yet we still “could”? It’s only because they were already in the presence and full knowledge of God, the Eternal King, and yet still chose to disobey Him (hence unloving/disrespecting/offending the Holy God). Therefore, they have no way of turning back on to repent, whereas we, the humans, who have not had the beatific vision yet, still are able to do so. Now, what makes you think that we could just casually show up one day before the Creator of all the seen and the unseen, then light up a cigarette and chit chat about our good old life? What needs to be learned shall be learned, hence put into practice, in this world with due respect to the King of Kings. We have all the tools we need to work out our own Salvation, as St. Paul wrote.
 
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See the previous post:

3- I don’t know about you, but i am hoping for the Purgatory! First and foremost, other than what we are revealed about it in the Bible (…If any man’s work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire - 1 Cor 3:15) nobody for certain can tell what kind of an experience it is or how long it will last for each one of us. Perhaps it’s in earthly minutes, hours, days or years… perhaps it’s a total different kind of transformation, rather than the medieval picture of it as punishment. Purging of our souls as if by fire is not necessarily a bad thing. On the contrary, gold, steel, etc are purged by fire and made stronger and/or they are transformed into greater means, ends and uses. Besides… the love, the presence and the holiness of God are both represented by fire many times in both the OT and the NT (the burning bush or Shekinah Glory, God as a consuming fire or God using fire as His minister via His angels, or the Holy Spirit coming down in tongues of fire, etc, etc…) In other words, God’s cleansing fire is a Holy one, we don’t even know what we mean by that actually, for we shall only see it when we get up there. Nevertheless, in a way it’s similar to that of God’s Jealousy or our Godly Fear being good and healthy things for our relationship with Him according to His nature. Moreover, it might be a complete spiritual experience of anguish for having offended God. Saints and even some of us real believers go through such pain of having sinned against God. This is a very unique feeling and pain which comes through only true repentance. It’s a different kind of sadness, sorrow and disappointment in yourself for failing the God you so dearly love - only to find out that your love is nothing but selfishness… NOW take that, amplify and multiply it a trillion times over, and there you go, perhaps that’s Purgatory with the consuming Holy fire within your soul before you are ready to enter and be in the presence of the Holy of Holies, which is certainly NOT a bad thing, but a very good cleansing indeed.
 
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Then hearing how thoughts and/or desires are sinful even if you never acted on them. It seems like we were born for condemnation.
 
I get cynical too Agatha. I don’t understand the fall of man and we are continunously punished for it. I don’t understand why are mere thoughts or desires are sinful. I agree that thoughts can be unholy or bad. I don’t like how I can literally never be perfect. It’s innate.
I think the best teaching of God is to love the neighbors as yourself and to help others because if you focus too closely on yourself you’ll be miserable
 
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