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Jen95
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Classism, ageism, ableism.
So many isms that I think are worse problems currently in the US than racism.
So many isms that I think are worse problems currently in the US than racism.
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Jimbo
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Fair point.
I guess I’m just very tired. I accept and love the idea that someone posted about how education is supposed to challenge us. That’s great. However, at least in my experience, many in the academic setting don’t want to be challenged; they want to impose ideology. You can’t disagree. It was bad in college when i was there ( I was told I had to be very careful about what I said because I didn’t want to create a ‘hostile learning environment’; but was literally silenced at one point because I was speaking out against the ideology. Oh, and the ‘If men could have abortions it would be a sacrament’ bumper sticker wasn’t creating a ‘hostile learning environment’ for me.). It seems worse now.
I guess I’m just very tired. I accept and love the idea that someone posted about how education is supposed to challenge us. That’s great. However, at least in my experience, many in the academic setting don’t want to be challenged; they want to impose ideology. You can’t disagree. It was bad in college when i was there ( I was told I had to be very careful about what I said because I didn’t want to create a ‘hostile learning environment’; but was literally silenced at one point because I was speaking out against the ideology. Oh, and the ‘If men could have abortions it would be a sacrament’ bumper sticker wasn’t creating a ‘hostile learning environment’ for me.). It seems worse now.
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Jen95
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I had never heard of the “I” word before my daughter went to college last year. It was crammed down her throat in a speech class.
It has since come up in my workplace.
I can’t wait to see what they come up with next!
It has since come up in my workplace.
I can’t wait to see what they come up with next!
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Dolphin
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White privilege is very real… that’s not a “liberal” thing. It’s reality… Racism is real…
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Calliope
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This book is written about a specific, very real issue in the USA. That’s the subject of THIS book. THIS book does not have to give equal time to every manner of inequality that exists everywhere. Other people can write those books about those issues.
The fact that this offer chose to write THIS book doesn’t mean they are unaware or insensitive to other social issues. Nor does it mean they are incorrect or pandering. It simply means they see a cultural issue as significant and chose to write about it at this time.
Why get upset that someone wrote a book about a subject other than yourself and your personal interests and issues? If you feel that other subjects are important and that a thorough, fair, exhaustive book needs to be written about various social issues, you may seek to take on that task yourself, or make it known that such a book (if it doesn’t exist) should be written and maybe someone will take you up on it.
A book written on one particular subject does not automatically imply that the author doesn’t think any other subject is important or valid. Writing a book about a particular race and it’s issues is neither an automatic vilification or celebration of that particular race.
Does the existence of this book feel like a threat?
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Jen95
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Racism is real but does it have a greater effect than classism, ableism, and ageism?
Which of these is most damaging to Americans today? To what degree is “systemic racism” really “systemic classism”?
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Dolphin
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Racism 100%. There is no doubt. The very people who are sworn to protect minorities kill them unjustly.
Not every Catholic on this forum is white or conservative. Seems like quite a few people are trying to gain sympathy from who they perceive to be white conservatives who also think white privilege is fake and racism is overstated.
No sympathy here - I’m in an interracial relationship and I firmly say that racism is very much a problem in our society and white privilege is rampant. Those who don’t see it are ignorant.
Not every Catholic on this forum is white or conservative. Seems like quite a few people are trying to gain sympathy from who they perceive to be white conservatives who also think white privilege is fake and racism is overstated.
No sympathy here - I’m in an interracial relationship and I firmly say that racism is very much a problem in our society and white privilege is rampant. Those who don’t see it are ignorant.
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Calliope
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This author chose to write about this issue. That in no way implies that there are not other social issues that are worthy of attention. When a person writes a book they are not morally obligated to look at culture, somehow determine what is the most pressing social issue and write only about that.
There are books written about many other social issues as well. No one author is obligated to write about everything in the same book.
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Jen95
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How can you rank the injustices?
How can you know that a young middle-class able-bodied person of color faces worse challenges than a disabled 80-year-old poor rural non-POC?
How can you know that a young middle-class able-bodied person of color faces worse challenges than a disabled 80-year-old poor rural non-POC?
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Dan123
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These questions are what intersectionality is meant to examine.
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Zach
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I wasn’t talking about one book. I was talking about the ideology that looks at one group as oppressors and other groups as victims. But go ahead quote me out of context maybe it will gain you a bunch of little heart 
likes here. I’ve posted too much here. I don’t feel like getting flagged and possibly suspended
Thread muted. Have fun. See ya.
likes here. I’ve posted too much here. I don’t feel like getting flagged and possibly suspendedThread muted. Have fun. See ya.
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Calliope
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Have you ever spoken to a rich person who has been rich all their lives and gets very defensive when the subject of economic status comes up. Have you every heard one spew reasons about why poor people are poor…that it’s all their fault for not working hard, getting a great education, etc etc. Have you every heard them talk about how they feel threatened by the poor…trying to take away everything they worked so hard for through unfair laws and taxation even when it’s not true?
In the United States people who are born into wealth have clear, real advantages simply because they have money and can afford certain privileges and can buy their way out of certain disadvantages. Yet I’ve heard them claim that they are persecuted, biased against, threatened by and in danger of losing everything they have to the greedy poor.
Whites have certain inborn privileges simply because they are white. Even if the laws don’t officially favor them, cultural norms and biases do. History has set them up in a favored role, and we can accept the status quo or recognize the situation and seek to remedy it.
The reason whites fear becoming the minority, or fear even equal treatment as the people of color is because we understand that in the United States racial minorities are biased against. The reason that some rich folks feel threatened by laws that attempt to even the playing field even a bit is because they recognize how privileged they are and don’t want to give up even an iota of it for the common good. Because they think that the common good means they will no longer be privileged. If we truly believed and had faith in equality we would all seek the common good, but we inherently recognize the bias that exists and get defensive, because we don’t want to be in the oppressed group, we want to maintain any privilege we can.
In the United States people who are born into wealth have clear, real advantages simply because they have money and can afford certain privileges and can buy their way out of certain disadvantages. Yet I’ve heard them claim that they are persecuted, biased against, threatened by and in danger of losing everything they have to the greedy poor.
Whites have certain inborn privileges simply because they are white. Even if the laws don’t officially favor them, cultural norms and biases do. History has set them up in a favored role, and we can accept the status quo or recognize the situation and seek to remedy it.
The reason whites fear becoming the minority, or fear even equal treatment as the people of color is because we understand that in the United States racial minorities are biased against. The reason that some rich folks feel threatened by laws that attempt to even the playing field even a bit is because they recognize how privileged they are and don’t want to give up even an iota of it for the common good. Because they think that the common good means they will no longer be privileged. If we truly believed and had faith in equality we would all seek the common good, but we inherently recognize the bias that exists and get defensive, because we don’t want to be in the oppressed group, we want to maintain any privilege we can.
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Dolphin
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I’m not even going to entertain this absurd question
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billsherman
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This thread certainly proves that “white fragility” is a thing. There is a lot of defensiveness going on here.
As I mentioned up thread, I haven’t yet read the book, but I think this thread may prove the author’s thesis.
Fascinating.
As I mentioned up thread, I haven’t yet read the book, but I think this thread may prove the author’s thesis.
Fascinating.
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Jen95
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If I’m a person of color, can I move into a ritzy suburb with good schools?
Yes, if I have the money.
If I’m poor, can I move into a ritzy suburb with good schools?
No, by definition.
Is it someone’s color that creates barriers, or is it their lack of $$?
Yes, if I have the money.
If I’m poor, can I move into a ritzy suburb with good schools?
No, by definition.
Is it someone’s color that creates barriers, or is it their lack of $$?
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TryingToBelieve
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Sometimes not, as Realtors would not show you the house etc…
Not saying it was right but that is the things that did happen.
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RobertAdams
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These “is racism really as bad as x” scenarios are what one might safely call silly.
Your argument:
“You say we should treat heart disease but is it really as bad as cancer?”
Your argument:
“You say we should treat heart disease but is it really as bad as cancer?”
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TheLittleLady
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Discrimination happens regardless of one’s income or neighborhood.
POC may have 10,000 cash in their purse, they are still going to be tracked harder than the white woman in Belk because of racial profiling.
Same for DWC stops.
POC being questioned by police for being in their own neighborhood after they buy that fancy house.
White parents, regardless of income, do not have to instruct their 13 year old sons to go flat to the ground with their arms behind their heads anytime a policeman encounters them.
POC may have 10,000 cash in their purse, they are still going to be tracked harder than the white woman in Belk because of racial profiling.
Same for DWC stops.
POC being questioned by police for being in their own neighborhood after they buy that fancy house.
White parents, regardless of income, do not have to instruct their 13 year old sons to go flat to the ground with their arms behind their heads anytime a policeman encounters them.
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Nepperhan
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Maybe, maybe not. There have been a number of Catholic socialists and, as has been stated, the Apostles lived in a socialist commune.
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Allegra
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Ummm. No. Even if the term IS used by Marx, that doesn’t mean it isn’t real and isn’t a problem. That’s the goofiest reason for ignoring a problem I ever heard of. Because communists are against it, it must not exist?
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