Very Upsetting incident yesterday

[CradleCath]

Yesterday I attended a board meeting, at which 12 people were present. Two of them are Catholic & attend the parish I used to. 9 people were non-Catholics. After the business meeting was over, we chatted a bit over coffee & one of the Catholics mentioned that she hadn’t seen me at Mass in quite a while. I just said quietly that I now attended St._____ because they offered a Latin Mass, which I attended. Understand there had been several conversations going on & I sat next to her, so no one heard us UP TO THAT POINT.

She is about 60 yrs. old & she started raising her voice at that point. She told me, as her face got redder & redder in anger, that she had received a letter from her Brother who lives in the Eastern part of the country & he told her “that they had a new priest who wanted to go back to the old times” (whatever that means) & he was “saying the Latin Mass”. She then pronounced, everyone was staring at her by that time, that “my brother left that parish & so did 2/3 of the congregation & here you are falling for it”. I said nothing, just smiled at her & said “to each their own”.The other Catholic present changed the subject.

Now, I’ve been given a “funny look” when I was entering the Church for the Latin Mass & the people from the Novus Ordo held before… were leaving. However, I’ve never faced such hostility as I saw in that person’s eyes & heard in her voice. It created such a bad impression of Catholicism for those non-Catholics present. It has really upset me.
Have any of you dealt with such a thing??

 

[JVSantos]

I’m sure it’s very upsetting, hope this helps…

“There are many matters of which it is well for you to be ignorant, and to consider yourself as one who is dead upon the earth and to whom the whole world is crucified. There are many things, too, which it is well to pass by with a deaf ear, thinking, instead, of what is more to your peace. It is more profitable to turn away from things which displease you and to leave to every man his own opinion than to take part in quarrelsome talk. If you stand well with God and look to His judgment, you will more easily bear being worsted.”

our journey continues…
God Bless

 

[Cathryn]

I sympathize with you. Some people have an irrational fear of the Extra-Ordinary Form of the Mass. I would just say that the Holy Father teaches that what what once sacred in the past is still sacred today. All legitimate forms of the Mass are sacred and should be respected.

 

[Thomas_Aquinas_1]

Now, I’ve been given a “funny look” when I was entering the Church for the Latin Mass & the people from the Novus Ordo held before… were leaving. However, I’ve never faced such hostility as I saw in that person’s eyes & heard in her voice. It created such a bad impression of Catholicism for those non-Catholics present. It has really upset me.

Have any of you dealt with such a thing??

“Blessed are you when they persecute you for justice’ sake, for yours is the kingdom of heaven”.

If you were a heretic who promoted birth control or women’s ordination they would welcome you. The only thing Liberal Catholics hate is Traditional Catholicism. As St. Basil said during the Arian crisis “Only one offense is now vigorously punished an accurate observance of our fathers’ traditions”.

St. Basil, AD 372: “372: “Religious people keep silence, but every blaspheming tongue is let loose. Sacred things are profaned; those of the laity who are sound in the Faith avoid the places of worship as schools of impiety, and raise their hands in solitude, with groans and tears to the Lord in Heaven.” Four years after he writes: “Matters have come to this pass: the people have left their houses of prayer, and assembled in the deserts, – a pitiable sight; women and children, old men, and men otherwise infirm, wretchedly faring in the open air, amid most profuse rains and snowstorms and winds and frosts of winter; and again in summer under a scorching sun. To this they submit, because they will have no part of the wicked Arian leaven.” … Only one offense is now vigorously punished an accurate observance of our fathers’ traditions. For this cause the pious are driven from their countries and transported into deserts.”

Today those who will have no part of the wicken Liberal leaven are treated in like manner. On judgment day, Traditional Catholics won’t have to fear hearing the words: “Truly I say to you, you have your reward”, for in this world “they are persecuted for justice’ sake”.

Take courage and know that our Lord was treated similarly. “If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you. If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you”.

 

[At_Trent]

“Blessed are you when they persecute you for justice’ sake, for yours is the kingdom of heaven”.

If you were a heretic who promoted birth control or women’s ordination they would welcome you. The only thing Liberal Catholics hate is Traditional Catholicism. As St. Basil said during the Arian crisis “Only one offense is now vigorously punished an accurate observance of our fathers’ traditions”.

St. Basil, AD 372: “372: “Religious people keep silence, but every blaspheming tongue is let loose. Sacred things are profaned; those of the laity who are sound in the Faith avoid the places of worship as schools of impiety, and raise their hands in solitude, with groans and tears to the Lord in Heaven.” Four years after he writes: “Matters have come to this pass: the people have left their houses of prayer, and assembled in the deserts, – a pitiable sight; women and children, old men, and men otherwise infirm, wretchedly faring in the open air, amid most profuse rains and snowstorms and winds and frosts of winter; and again in summer under a scorching sun. To this they submit, because they will have no part of the wicked Arian leaven.” … Only one offense is now vigorously punished an accurate observance of our fathers’ traditions. For this cause the pious are driven from their countries and transported into deserts.”

Today those who will have no part of the wicken Liberal leaven are treated in like manner. On judgment day, Traditional Catholics won’t have to fear hearing the words: “Truly I say to you, you have your reward”, for in this world “they are persecuted for justice’ sake”.

Take courage and know that our Lord was treated similarly. “If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you. If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you”.

There you have it. Excellent !

 

[irenesg]

I sympathize with you. Some people have an irrational fear of the Extra-Ordinary Form of the Mass. I would just say that the Holy Father teaches that what what once sacred in the past is still sacred today. All legitimate forms of the Mass are sacred and should be respected.

I certainly agree!

 

[ProVobis]

…She then pronounced, everyone was staring at her by that time, that “my brother left that parish & so did 2/3 of the congregation & here you are falling for it”. I said nothing, just smiled at her & said “to each their own”.The other Catholic present changed the subject.

I would say that the 1/3 who stayed was a good start.

 

[BVM_1221]

Yesterday I attended a board meeting, at which 12 people were present. Two of them are Catholic & attend the parish I used to. 9 people were non-Catholics. After the business meeting was over, we chatted a bit over coffee & one of the Catholics mentioned that she hadn’t seen me at Mass in quite a while. I just said quietly that I now attended St._____ because they offered a Latin Mass, which I attended. Understand there had been several conversations going on & I sat next to her, so no one heard us UP TO THAT POINT.

She is about 60 yrs. old & she started raising her voice at that point. She told me, as her face got redder & redder in anger, that she had received a letter from her Brother who lives in the Eastern part of the country & he told her “that they had a new priest who wanted to go back to the old times” (whatever that means) & he was “saying the Latin Mass”. She then pronounced, everyone was staring at her by that time, that “my brother left that parish & so did 2/3 of the congregation & here you are falling for it”. I said nothing, just smiled at her & said “to each their own”.The other Catholic present changed the subject.

Now, I’ve been given a “funny look” when I was entering the Church for the Latin Mass & the people from the Novus Ordo held before… were leaving. However, I’ve never faced such hostility as I saw in that person’s eyes & heard in her voice. It created such a bad impression of Catholicism for those non-Catholics present. It has really upset me.
Have any of you dealt with such a thing??

Funny, I have not yet had that kind of hostile reaction when I mention leaving my local parish for an Eastern Catholic Church (which is in full communion with Rome).

 

[Angelicus]

Discounting the fact whether the Mass was in the OF or the EF or whether it was celebrated VO or VP, I would wonder if some people would skip Mass entirely if it were not celebrated in English?

I have been a tour leader on a number of trips to Europe. It is far easier to accommodate Mass attendance for fellow Catholics if I did not have to search for a parish offering a Mass in English. Even in university towns, an English Mass would be celebrated late on Sunday, usually after 8:00pm.

There are many people with hard feelings. They are slowly coming aware that their ‘renewal’ is being supplanted with a different vibrancy. They are slowly realizing that they do not have a monopoly on the Holy Spirit.

 

[Victorious]

I recently had a Protestant ask me how it was possible that priests of the Latin Church could be hostile to Latin. Words failed me. The same question could be asked about Catholics in the Latin Rite who are hostile to Latin. Words again fail me.

Except to say that I wish there were as much prejudice in Catholic circles against promiscuity and birth control as there is against the Mass in Latin.

 

[laszlo]

Just for the sake of the full truth: Is it not possible that your college was (personally of indirectly) victim of the (Imho necessary) cleanup by Bishop Finn

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and thus her negative feeling is not against the Traditional Mass but against its supporter the bishop?

 

[CradleCath]

I recently had a Protestant ask me how it was possible that priests of the Latin Church could be hostile to Latin. Words failed me. The same question could be asked about Catholics in the Latin Rite who are hostile to Latin. Words again fail me.

Except to say that I wish there were as much prejudice in Catholic circles against promiscuity and birth control as there is against the Mass in Latin.

Thank you ALL. I guess I’ve been a bit sheltered in my parish where we celebrate both forms of the Mass. About a month ago, I attended a luncheon with a small group of the gals I graduated with back in 1959.
We ALL had a great Catholic education, we were taught by the Madames of the Sacred Heart. Much to my surprise, two of my classmates…both of them EEM’s…stated that they thought the Church was wrong in their teaching against ABORTION, of all things. One of these two, is also a Benedictine Oblate & is ready to retire from her secular job. She is “thinking about becoming a Spiritual Director…to bring in a little extra money”. I must admit, I just sat there with my mouth open…awestruck.

GOD HELP US!!!

 

[udoc89]

Yesterday I attended a board meeting, at which 12 people were present. Two of them are Catholic & attend the parish I used to. 9 people were non-Catholics. After the business meeting was over, we chatted a bit over coffee & one of the Catholics mentioned that she hadn’t seen me at Mass in quite a while. I just said quietly that I now attended St._____ because they offered a Latin Mass, which I attended. Understand there had been several conversations going on & I sat next to her, so no one heard us UP TO THAT POINT.

She is about 60 yrs. old & she started raising her voice at that point. She told me, as her face got redder & redder in anger, that she had received a letter from her Brother who lives in the Eastern part of the country & he told her “that they had a new priest who wanted to go back to the old times” (whatever that means) & he was “saying the Latin Mass”. She then pronounced, everyone was staring at her by that time, that “my brother left that parish & so did 2/3 of the congregation & here you are falling for it”. I said nothing, just smiled at her & said “to each their own”.The other Catholic present changed the subject.

Now, I’ve been given a “funny look” when I was entering the Church for the Latin Mass & the people from the Novus Ordo held before… were leaving. However, I’ve never faced such hostility as I saw in that person’s eyes & heard in her voice. It created such a bad impression of Catholicism for those non-Catholics present. It has really upset me.
Have any of you dealt with such a thing??

Well, no, I haven’t had this happen, but I do sympathize with you. I am a convert, and I love the Latin Mass. When we got it at our church, I was sure all the older Catholics would be delighted. I got the, “That’s nice, Dear,” stare and the “I don’t want to go back to the way things were” speech. I was dumbfounded. These were the dedicated Catholics in our parish, and they had no intention of supporting the Latin Mass. Few of us attended regularly. We no longer have it. My heart is broken.

 

[PJM]

Yesterday I attended a board meeting, at which 12 people were present. Two of them are Catholic & attend the parish I used to. 9 people were non-Catholics. After the business meeting was over, we chatted a bit over coffee & one of the Catholics mentioned that she hadn’t seen me at Mass in quite a while. I just said quietly that I now attended St._____ because they offered a Latin Mass, which I attended. Understand there had been several conversations going on & I sat next to her, so no one heard us UP TO THAT POINT.

She is about 60 yrs. old & she started raising her voice at that point. She told me, as her face got redder & redder in anger, that she had received a letter from her Brother who lives in the Eastern part of the country & he told her “that they had a new priest who wanted to go back to the old times” (whatever that means) & he was “saying the Latin Mass”. She then pronounced, everyone was staring at her by that time, that “my brother left that parish & so did 2/3 of the congregation & here you are falling for it”. I said nothing, just smiled at her & said “to each their own”.The other Catholic present changed the subject.

Ya did GREAT:thumbsup: Thanks,

**Matt. 5: 5-12 **"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. " “Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you”

REPLACE “they” with your name; good and faithful servant.

Now, I’ve been given a “funny look” when I was entering the Church for the Latin Mass & the people from the Novus Ordo held before… were leaving. However, I’ve never faced such hostility as I saw in that person’s eyes & heard in her voice. It created such a bad impression of Catholicism for those non-Catholics present. It has really upset me.
Have any of you dealt with such a thing??

Pray for her conversion and salvation. Smile and LET GOD HANDLE IT!

God Bless,
Pat

 

[anp1215]

Well, no, I haven’t had this happen, but I do sympathize with you. I am a convert, and I love the Latin Mass. When we got it at our church, I was sure all the older Catholics would be delighted. I got the, “That’s nice, Dear,” stare and the “I don’t want to go back to the way things were” speech. I was dumbfounded. These were the dedicated Catholics in our parish, and they had no intention of supporting the Latin Mass. Few of us attended regularly. We no longer have it. My heart is broken.

It seems that the younger generation is slowly but surely developing an appreciation for sacredness and tradition in the Church, which many of its older members have been rebelling against for years. Perhaps they dislike it because they feel it was somewhat “forced” upon them in their youth?
Two parishes downtown (Houston) offer a Latin Mass (one Tridentine, one NO) and I have attended the NO, which I loved. I expected to see only older people there, but there were people of all ages, even a young family with children.

 

[ProVobis]

I recently had a Protestant ask me how it was possible that priests of the Latin Church could be hostile to Latin.

I noticed this when I was taking Latin at the University of Illinois back in 1968. Where Catholic schools had already been dropping the Latin requirements for several years, here at the university level I was actually in a class with people with a strong passion for the classics, much stronger than the Catholics. I guess I wasn’t too surprised later to find it was actually the Protestants (most especially Agatha Christie) who convinced Pope Paul to preserve the Latin Mass. So ecumenism can work both ways.

 

[Judge_Mental]

Sounds demonic to me. Getting over-the-top upset over the (small) revivial of a venerable Catholic rite?

 

[CradleCath]

I noticed this when I was taking Latin at the University of Illinois back in 1968. Where Catholic schools had already been dropping the Latin requirements for several years, here at the university level I was actually in a class with people with a strong passion for the classics, much stronger than the Catholics. I guess I wasn’t too surprised later to find it was actually the Protestants (most especially Agatha Christie) who convinced Pope Paul to preserve the Latin Mass. So ecumenism can work both ways.

I had no idea that the “Agatha Christie” indult even existed, so thanks for teaching me something new.

An indult was granted in 1971 by Pope Paul VI after a group of English luminaries - including Graham Greene, Kingsley Ais,m Agatha Christie, Kenneth Clark, William Rees-Mogg, Malcolm Muggeridge, Ralph Richardson, C Day Lewis and Iris Murdoch - complained to him about the loss to civilisation and culture that the suppression represented.

I am so surprised to find that this indult was granted in England & Wales only TWO years after the Novus Ordo Mass first appeared in the U.S. What an illustrious group of people were clammering for it at that time! One of my favorite quotes come from Malcom Muggeridge:

"Every happening, great and small, is a parable whereby God speaks to us, and the art of life is to get the message."

Thank You!

 

[laszlo]

I had no idea that the “Agatha Christie” indult even existed, so thanks for teaching me something new.

here is a quite good description of the Agatha Christy indult

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Christie_indult

It had nothing to do neither with the Sacrosanctum Concilium, nor with the fact that the defined language of the New rite is Latin. Simply is was an indult for England and Wales a permission to use the TLM, the traditional rite.

It is named for Agatha Christi by the media only, the petitioners were famous Catholic celebrities, Agatha Christy only joined them.

Apparently in England (and may be in the US too) the Bishops forced the new rite in vernacular, and this was the reason for the request to be able to keep the TLM. In other countries the legal exception named after Hungary; ‘Hungaria non valet’ for any innovation, and the new rite became enforced only when the controversy with the SSPX aroused in the middle of the seventies.

 

[Iotaunum]

It created such a bad impression of Catholicism for those non-Catholics present. It has really upset me.
Have any of you dealt with such a thing??

That and much worse. It is hard not to feel like you are treading on dangerous grounds when bringing up any Papal encyclical or council prior to 1960 in a conversation. One Catholic even said to me “Thats not the proper Bible - thats the “old” language”. I was quoting from the Douay Rheims.