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I would like to know if our church has any tell about Viagra, or any sexual stimulation.
 
I’m not aware of any specific documents, but the general principle is that medications necessary to correct a medical defect are not morally problematic. If used inappropriately in some manner of which I am unaware then perhaps it could be problematic I suppose…
 
Personally, I just don’t do “recreational” drugs.
Just like I don’t do organ transplants which require that the recipient take drugs for the rest of his/her life.
They are both just silly and a waste of resources.

Matthew
 
Here’s the thing about Viagra.

What does a man say to his wife of many years after he has taken it: I’m on drugs, and I want you? Really, is that at all loving or romantic? One wonders how many women would think so, given the results of surveys of the partners of prospective users after the stuff first came out. Overwhelmingly, the ladies stated they wished the men just wouldn’t bother.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
On drugs?
Hmmmm…
So, we agree this is a medical condition (in most cases) right?
So why not ‘take drugs’ to treat it? Other than prolonged erection (not always a bad thing, IMO) are there any visible side effects?

If not, or if they are minimal, what’s the big deal? We ‘take drugs’ for other conditions, HBP, heart, kidney, depression even, that have ‘side effects’ so what’s the difference? I think this one is best left b/t the couple. If you’re both okay with it, fine. If not, that’s up to you.

I have PCOS, ITP, HBP, and low thyoid. I will most likely be taking meds for the rest of my life. My DH has polycystic Kidney Disease. Right now he fine. In 10 or so years, he may be on meds for it the rest of his life. He may need a transplant, and meds the rest of his life. You know, I want him alive, with me, as long as I can have him, happy and productive. If drugs enable him/us to do that, bring’em on!
 
I guess the difference comes down to-- we need kidneys, liver, etc functioning to survive. We don’t need that organ functioning to survive. Presumable the couple is still affectionate and caring towards each other. But I assume it falls into a private decision area.
 
Gerry_Hunter said:
Here’s the thing about Viagra.

What does a man say to his wife of many years after he has taken it: I’m on drugs, and I want you? Really, is that at all loving or romantic? One wonders how many women would think so, given the results of surveys of the partners of prospective users after the stuff first came out. Overwhelmingly, the ladies stated they wished the men just wouldn’t bother.

Blessings,

Gerry
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Gerry has a good point. Men should be asking themselves why would I put chemicals in my body for that? Poster is right, been there, done that, time to move on, no need to go back. No real need to put any unnecessary chemicals in your body with all the possible side effects. As Gerry says “just wouldn’t bother”. Get a hobby and live safer:cool:
 
I’m not even sure that ED is a disease that needs treating. Seems to be a natural part of aging.

If this drug is for merely recreational purposes, is it morally licit?

If it is for the purpose of conceiving children, then is it?

If it is for pleasure only and not procreation, then isn’t that separating the procreative and unitive functions and just as immoral as artificial birth control? :eek:

I don’t know, just askin’. Not relevant to my life personally.
 
Gaurdian said:
Gerry has a good point. Men should be asking themselves why would I put chemicals in my body for that? Poster is right, been there, done that, time to move on, no need to go back. No real need to put any unnecessary chemicals in your body with all the possible side effects. As Gerry says “just wouldn’t bother”. Get a hobby and live safer:cool:
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Maybe because some men really enjoy making love to their wives?
 
You folks are just no fun.:mad:

Have you ever been impotent? My understanding is that it isn’t fun.

S—, people take **** to stop their nose from running. Are you saying they should just use a tissue? Tell me, do you use hot water when taking a bath? Cold water works and it is better for the environment. It can be uncomfortable. Why not tell the pastor to turn off the air conditioning at your church. You don’t actually need it, so what if it is cold, wear a coat.

When you are ready to stop the hot water, the nasal spray and the heater you can talk about stopping the Viagra. Until then, we already have enough standards around here, we don’t need anymore.
 
OK I see…anything is licit for men to get their jollies, but it isn’t to help women have their sexuality without the burden of having 20 children…noooo, that would be immoral.

(Just stoking the controversy here…)
 
I have known individuals who prided themselves in using viagra. Unfortunately, most of them are dead now. The hardening of their penis seemed accompanied with the hardening of their hearts too. So, just watch out that your heart would not harden as your penis hardens. he he he…
 
agangbern said:
…The hardening of their penis seemed accompanied with the hardening of their hearts…
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Are you referring to a cardiac condition? Do you have reason to think this may not been related to other aging factors?
 
Could be argued that ED has a huge effect on life. At least the creating of…so to speak. Couple meet and marry at a late age, husband has ED but both want children. Surely they should be allowed without having to use unpleasent needles and IVF treatments?
 
That’s what I’m saying. It should be OK to use to promote fertility if the couple is trying to have children.
 
I see nothing wrong with using the medication under medical supervision (sort of have to, since it’s an Rx drug) for married men with impotence.

It’s easy to say “find a hobby”, but for many this is a significant loss in their marital relationship.

Some forms of arthritis are normal and happen with age, yet we treat those with Rx meds that can cause significant side effects. Difference is with pain, I suppose, but to say that ED shouldn’t be treated becasue it’s a natural aging condtion or that it should only be used if an older couple wants to have children ignores the unitive nature of marriage.

The way viagra is marketed, though, is an entirely different matter. The print ads have some late middle-aged guy grinning like a fool with his wife hanging all over him. And those radio “Viva Viagra” ads…arrrrgggghhhh! :eek:
 
Yup, that which would aid a woman’s sexuality is immoral but hey we worship the almighty penis because male sexual pleasure is an absolute good. Sounds like a male dominated church to me.

(OK I’m being facetious and don’t really think that but you know that’s what others think about this position.) 😛
 
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