Vicaious Filii Dei

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Are SDA always anti-Catholic? Is that a part of their doctrine?
yes it is essential because to maintain Ms. White’s claims it is necessary to attack the authority of the Church in, for instance, establishing Sunday as the Lord’s day and so forth.

also for OP Divenchy sounds like a French dress designer, not an Italian artist, don’t know if he has a code.
 
I just realized that my own name can be made into 555. Is that like a 666 wannabe?

The Hebrew for Nero Caesar is 666. The Greek for Nero Caesar is 616. This is why some manuscript copies have 616 instead of 666, and many contemporary translations have a marginal note to that effect.

In other words, the people copying the original manuscripts knew John was referring to Nero, and just wanted to make it easier for Greek readers who didn’t know Hebrew.
 
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What’s curious is that if you use the same Roman Numeral cypher for Ellen Gould White (psuedoprophetess of the SDA), her name adds up to 666.
 
Thanks Justin! That was an awesome response. I dont’ come to this forum too often mainly because there are SO many posts and subjects here. I will read through the article (i’ve printed it out), and forward my SDA-sympathizers to it as well. Thanks again!
edit: The rebuttal to those letters can be found here:

envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.5/goingthedistance.html

You may inform Mr. Scheiffler that Mr. Keating answered him in Envoy Magazine nine years ago.

Justin
 
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The pope is the beast spoken of in Revelation 13. Verse 1 says that he wears crowns and has “blasphemous names” written on his head. Verse 18 says that the numerical value of his name adds up to 666. The pope’s official title in Latin is Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar Son of God). If you add that up using Roman numerals, you get 666. The pope’s tiara is emblazoned with this title, formed by diamonds and other jewels.

I wasn’t very good at math in school, but even I can follow this argument and run the numbers well enough to show it’s bogus. (Besides, answering this question is apologetics at its most fun!) The charge that the pope is the beast of Revelation 13, because his title adds up to 666, is especially popular with Seventh-Day Adventists, but it’s also widely repeated in some Protestant circles.

Vicarius Filii Dei does have the mathematical value of 666 in Latin. Here’s how it works. Like many ancient languages, such as Greek and Hebrew, some Latin letters are also used for numbers: I = 1, V = 5, X = 10, L = 50, C = 100, D = 500 and M = 1000. The letter “u” is rendered as V and the letter “w,” which doesn’t exist in the Latin alphabet, would be rendered as VV. So this title would read in Latin as VICARIVS FILII DEI.

When calculating the value of a name or word, letters that don’t have a numerical value are ignored. For example, drop out the no-value letters in my name, PATRICK MADRID, and you come up with 2102 — 1 (i) + 100 (c) + 1000 (m) + 500 (d) + 1 (i) + 500 (d) = 2102. By the way, this is one reason why, as far as I know, no one has yet accused me of being in league with the anti-Christ. The numbers just don’t add up.

But in the case of VICARIVS FILII DEI, they do add up to 666. Isolate the numbers and this is what you get: 5 (v) + 1 (i) + 100 (c) + 1 (i) + 5 (V) + 1 (i) + 50 (L) + 1 (i) + 1 (i) + 500 (d) + 1 (i) = 666.

But there are problems with this. The first is that Vicarius Filii Dei, or “Vicar of the Son of God,” is not now, nor has it ever been, a title of the bishop of Rome. The second problem is that virtually no one, including many unsuspecting lay Catholics, knows that this papal “title” is a fabrication. To an untrained ear, it sounds enough like one of the pope’s real titles, Vicarius Christi (Vicar of Christ), to pass the test. Unfortunately for those who traffic in this particular piece of pope fiction, the real title, Vicarius Christi, adds up to only a measly 214, not the infernal 666. In fact, none of the pope’s official titles, such as Servus Servorum Dei (Servant of the Servants of God), Pontifex Maximus (Supreme Pontiff), or Successor Petri (Successor of Peter), will add up to 666. That’s why you never see any of them used by anti-Catholics.

If the person making this claim disputes these facts, ask him to furnish even one example of a papal decree, ecclesiastical letter, conciliar statement, or any other official Catholic document in which the pope calls himself or is referred to as the “Vicar of the Son of God.” He won’t be able to find one, because none exist. Vicarius Filii Dei has never been a title of the pope.

Poof! That part was easy, but some people, especially Seventh-Day Adventists, will ignore the evidence (or lack of it) and hold tenaciously to the notion that “Vicar of the Son of God” is an official papal title and therefore identifies the pope as the Beast of Revelation. What else can be said in response?

(Cont’d)
 
Using the same math exercise we did above, point out that the name of the woman who started the Seventh-Day Adventist church, Ellen Gould White, also adds up to 666 in Latin. (L + L + V +D + V + V + I = 666). Then ask if this proves that she is the Beast. I can assure you the answer won’t be “yes.” If the answer is “no,” ask how this numbers game could possibly prove the pope or anyone else is the Beast. If you’re answered with silence, it’s a good bet that you’ve made some progress with the person.

The main fact to impress on someone who uses this argument is that a papal title had to be invented, one that could produce the magic number, in order to give this argument legs.

But we’re not quite finished cutting it off at the knees. The charge that the pope is the Beast because he wears a crown, and Revelation 13:1 says the Beast wears crowns and has “blasphemous names” written on his head, must also be answered. This we can do more quickly.

Since about the year 708, many popes have worn at non-liturgical ceremonial events a special papal crown called a tiara, but the stylized beehive-shaped papal crown of three diadems that we have come to know as a tiara emerged only in the early 14th century. Although it was customary for tiaras to be encrusted with jewels and precious ornaments, there is no evidence — no statue, bust, painting, drawing or even written description of any of the many tiaras that were crafted — that any papal tiara ever had the name or title of a pope emblazoned on it.

This is significant, because there have been medieval and Renaissance popes whose extravagant vanity prodded them to have lavishly ornamented, jewel-encrusted tiaras made for themselves. And we possess paintings and statues and other representations of them produced during their lifetimes that show these tiaras (we even possess some of the actual tiaras). If any popes in history would have been tempted to succumb to the bad taste of spelling out “Vicarius Filii Dei” in diamonds across the front of their tiaras, these men would have — but they didn’t. No pope did. One particular anti-Catholic tract I’ve seen shows a plain metal tiara with Vicarius Filii Dei written in diamonds across it. But it was a drawing — not a photograph of a museum piece or even a photo of a painting of a tiara.

It had to be drawn, of course, because the “666 papal crown”— as with all the other pope fictions—has only ever existed in the minds of those who perpetuate this fantasy.

I really hate to post so much of that great article by Patrick Madrid, but it just needs to be “put out on front street” to insure that no one buys into this crazy propaganda.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.
 
I did an article on the Donation of Constantine some time ago, Schieffler is aware of it. On my old site here:

Vicarius Filii Dei & “666” Debunked
shasta.com/sphaws/vicar.html

Bottom line: in the Donation, the successive Popes are referred to as the Vicar of Peter, not Vicarius Filii Dei. That pulls the rug out from under the SDA kookiness.
 
I did an article on the Donation of Constantine some time ago, Schieffler is aware of it. On my old site here:

Vicarius Filii Dei & “666” Debunked
shasta.com/sphaws/vicar.html

Bottom line: in the Donation, the successive Popes are referred to as the Vicar of Peter, not Vicarius Filii Dei. That pulls the rug out from under the SDA kookiness.
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That’s not his official title. The titles of the Pope, in the order they are used in the Annuario Pontificio:

Bishop of Rome
Vicar of Christ
Successor of the Prince of the Apostles
Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church
Primate of Italy
Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province
Sovereign of the State of the Vatican City
Servant of the Servants of God.
Why does an official name of the pope have to be used? Any name can be used.

Like:

Dux cleri: captain of the clergy
Sancta lux Dei: holy light of God, used many times by Rome when referring to herself
Ittalika ekklesia: Italian church (here use Greek numerals)
 
Bill Gates also sums to 666 in ASCII. You have to cheat slightly by making it William Henry Gates III and adding 3 for the III. Pretty much anyone can be made intot he beast with a bit in ingenuity.
Yes, but if as I have shown, numerous titles of the pope add up to 666, then we can sure that by overrepresentation the pope is the Antichrist. Also, the apostles John and Paul say that the spirit of antichrist was already in the world in their time. Since Vicarius Filii Dei is used in the forged donation of Constantine (which was officially referred to over the years as official Catholic doctrine!!!), this would allude to all Catholic opoes being an antichrist on their own right. Since Bill Gates wasn’t alive at the time of Paul and John we can safely discount him along with a whole list of other possible candidates.
 
Yes, but if as I have shown, numerous titles of the pope add up to 666, then we can sure that by overrepresentation the pope is the Antichrist. Also, the apostles John and Paul say that the spirit of antichrist was already in the world in their time. Since Vicarius Filii Dei is used in the forged donation of Constantine (which was officially referred to over the years as official Catholic doctrine!!!), this would allude to all Catholic opoes being an antichrist on their own right. Since Bill Gates wasn’t alive at the time of Paul and John we can safely discount him along with a whole list of other possible candidates.
Just to make sure I understand, are you saying that the pope is the anti-Christ?
 
Yes, but if as I have shown, numerous titles of the pope add up to 666, then we can sure that by overrepresentation the pope is the Antichrist. Also, the apostles John and Paul say that the spirit of antichrist was already in the world in their time.**** Since Vicarius Filii Dei is used in the forged donation of Constantine (which was officially referred to over the years as official Catholic doctrine!!!), this would allude to all Catholic opoes being an antichrist on their own right. Since Bill Gates wasn’t alive at the time of Paul and John we can safely discount him along with a whole list of other possible candidates.

So, are you saying that Peter was the anti-Christ? Or was there some other pope at that time? Interestingly, Jesus did call Peter Satan once, so maybe you’re onto something…Wouldn’t make much sense then, though, to keep his 2 letters in your bible. Have you torn them out yet (after all, it was the Catholic Church decided they should be in there, anyway :cool: )?

In Christ,

Ellen
 
So, are you saying that Peter was the anti-Christ? Or was there some other pope at that time? Interestingly, Jesus did call Peter Satan once, so maybe you’re onto something…Wouldn’t make much sense then, though, to keep his 2 letters in your bible. Have you torn them out yet (after all, it was the Catholic Church decided they should be in there, anyway :cool: )?

In Christ,

Ellen
Ronald Wilson reagan’s name adds up to 666. Other scholars believe that the original number of the beast was 661- I forget what Papyrii says that- which add up to "Caligula"It’s all poo poo-so sad that the center of one’s religion is the hatred of another.Their obsession with catholicism shows really what low self esteem they have about the truth of there own doctrine(based on Gould’s plagerism). People should really worry about their own salvation and not be so preoccupied with goofy theories!!
 
Number of the beast–Are You serious Dude?!! 660-the approximate Number of the Beast. DCLXVI Roman numeral of the Beast, 665 Number of the Beast’s older Brother. 667 Number of the Beast’s Younger Sister.664 or 668 Number of the Beast’s Next door Neighbor999 Numer of the australian Beast.333 Number of the semi beast(or Halfway to hell")66 number of the Downsized Beast…6,uh…,I forgot Number of the Blond Beast.666.0000Number of the High Precision Beast.6665.9997856 Number of the Beast on a Pentium.X/666 Brast common denominator 0.00150150 Reciprocal of the Beast. -666-Opposite of the Beast.00666 Zip Code of the Beast.666@hell.org E-mail of the Beast. 1-900-666-6666 Live Beasts available Now!one-on -one pacts! Only$6.66 a minute! (must be over 6+6+6 years old) $666/hr Billing Rate of the Beast’s Lawyer.$710.36 Price of the Beast with 6.66% sales Tax,$769.95 Price of the Beast with Accessories and replacement soul.$656.66 Wal-Mart Price of the Beast(next week$646.66!)Windows 666 Bill Gates Personal Beast Operating system.6.66 F A cold day in Hell.😃
 
Yes, but if as I have shown, numerous titles of the pope add up to 666, then we can sure that by overrepresentation the pope is the Antichrist. Also, the apostles John and Paul say that the spirit of antichrist was already in the world in their time. Since Vicarius Filii Dei is used in the forged donation of Constantine (which was officially referred to over the years as official Catholic doctrine!!!), this would allude to all Catholic opoes being an antichrist on their own right. Since Bill Gates wasn’t alive at the time of Paul and John we can safely discount him along with a whole list of other possible candidates.
Well St peter was alive then I guess that makes him the anti christ!!Gotta watch them opoes they’re darn dangerous and awful tricky.If I catch an opoes being the anti christ- I’ll let you know. Quack- Quack goes the canard.!😃 😃
 
Hello, I’m new in this forum…

My friend claimed that “Vicarius” (in Latin) means “Anti” in Greek. So, Vicarius Christi (Latin) means Anti Christ (in Greek). Is that true? I don’t understand both language.

Warm regards…
 
As for Vicarius Filii Dei (so spelt):

1. Vicarius Filii Dei is in Latin - Revelation 13.18 is in Greek
If we have such an objections, why did our scholars interpret 666 as Nero using Hebrew(?) calculation?

Also, if “Vicarius Filii Dei” is grammatically error, why it is written on the some documents such as in Prompta Bibliotheca, for example…

Please, I need the answer ASAP.

God bless you all…
 
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