Vicaious Filii Dei

[Church_Militant]

If we have such an objections, why did our scholars interpret 666 as Nero using Hebrew?

Also, if “Vicarius Filii Dei” is grammatically error, why it is written on the some documents such as in Prompta Bibliotheca, for example…

Please, I need the answer ASAP.

God bless you all…

You need to get accurate sources my friend. You got lied to.

Vicarius Filii Dei & 666 Debunked

 

[da_xavier]

You need to get accurate sources my friend. You got lied to.

Vicarius Filii Dei & 666 Debunked

Sorry, but I don’t understand…

You said that “Vicarius Filii Dei is in Latin - Revelation 13.18 is in Greek”

But, our Catholic scholars believe that 666 is Nero (NRW QSR or NRWN QSR). They did sum up the NRWN QSR using Hebrew calculation, and not Greek:

Q = 100, S = 60, R = 200, and so on…

Remember that we criticized them for not using Greek calculation.

Do I get wrong information about this Nero-666?

 

[Church_Militant]

Well…since the “title” is in Latin, wouldn’t one use the Latin values?

Besides… the real point is that the title is not one that is used for the pope anyway. It’s a hoax from a documented forgery and IMO that sort of disqualifies it as any kind of real point of contention anyway.

 

[Lazerlike42]

Sorry, but I don’t understand…

You said that “Vicarius Filii Dei is in Latin - Revelation 13.18 is in Greek”

But, our Catholic scholars believe that 666 is Nero (NRW QSR or NRWN QSR). They did sum up the NRWN QSR using Hebrew calculation, and not Greek:

Q = 100, S = 60, R = 200, and so on…

Remember that we criticized them for not using Greek calculation.

Do I get wrong information about this Nero-666?

I wouldn’t so much call this a Catholic opinion, because all sorts of Protestants also believe that the 666 was referring to Nero. It is an opinion held by some Catholics, but not strictly by Catholics. The reason they use Hebrew is honestly not for much of any reason other than that folks tried different systems and in Hebrew it turned out to work out to the name of someone - Nero - who coud reasonably fit the context of the beast.

The difference between this and the Vicarius Christi thing is that there’s a conceivable reason why Hebrew would be used. John was writing to folks who primarily held a Jewish background, and more importantly he was writing using Jewish apocolyptic symbolism. In other words, when he wrote Revelation, he used a particular sort of style that other Jewish prophecy was written in. It would make sense for Hebrew to be used as a code because of this: writing in a Jewish style, using a Jewish symbolism. It would also make sense because John was not a native Greek speaker, and so he would be much more familiar with the idea of Hebraic symbolism as opposed to trying to work it out in Greek. It would make sense lastly for the sake of keeping secrets secret: the Romans would be far more likely to recognize what he was saying in Greek than if he used Hebrew, a language that the Romans really didn’t hold in the hightest esteem.

So far as “Vicarius” meaning “anti” in Greek, I am highly skeptical. The reason is that “anti” is a prefix that English takes directly from Greek. To say "anti’ in Greek, you just say “anti.” Thus, when the Bible says “antiChrist,” it says, in Greek, “ἀντίχριστος”, that is, antiChristos. It doesn’t say anything like vicariusChristos.

The confusion seems to come in that the Greek word anti has two meanings. Citing Strong’s Greek Lexicon (Essentially one of the standards in Biblical studies and a Protestant source):

G473
ἀντί
anti
an-tee’
A primary particle; opposite, that is, instead or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

Here is what Thayer’s Greek Lexicon has to say (also not a Catholic source):

G473
ἀντί
anti
Thayer Definition:

1. over against, opposite to, before
2. for, instead of, in place of (something)
   2a) instead of
   2b) for
   2c) for that, because
   2d) wherefore, for this causePart of Speech: preposition
   A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a primary particle
   Citing in TDNT: 1:372, 61

We see than that the word anti in Greek may have two meanings:

1. Something opposed to, something contrary to
2. A substitute for, something in place of

Now the Latin word Vicarius means “a substitute for,” or “in place of.” Citing wikipedia:

Vicarius is a Latin word, meaning substitute or deputy. It is the root and origin of the English word “vicar.”

Originally, in ancient Rome, this was an equivalent to the English “vice-” (as in “deputy”), used as part of the title of various officials. Each vicarius was assigned to a specific superior official, after whom his full title was generally completed by a genitive (e.g. Vicarius Praetoris).

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In Rome, the Vicarius was the “substitute” for a superior official. He was the “deputy,” just like a deputy is a “substitute” for the sheriff when the sheriff is not around. So for instance, in Rome a Vicarius would govern certain geographical areas “in place” of the Emperor, who was really still the number one honcho.

So, if we translate the Latin vicarius back into Greek, we can get anti, because in Greek one meaning of the word anti is “substitute” or “in place of,” which is what VIcarius means. However it does not mean that Vicarius translated into Greek means “opposed to,” as the antiChrist is opposed to Christ, because that is an entirely different meaning.

That would be like someone getting confused with the English word “gay.” The word can mean “happy,” but it also can mean “homosexual.” So some confused or less than honest person might take something written in French identifying a person as “heureux,” the French word for “happy,” and claim that that person was a homosexual because if you translate “heureux” into English you get “gay.”

 

[da_xavier]

two important factors which haven’t been pointed out yet:

1. the prophecy of 666 says it will be the NAME of the anti-christ, not a title.

My separated brethern asked me for explaination about this. What kind of answer I can give?

 

[Church_Militant]

Some of you could afford to read what I linked above.

Mr. Scheifler and the Seventh-Day Adventists have banked everything on Vicarius Filii Dei based on the Donation of Constantine. The rug is pulled out from under them, everything crumbling down, because their own source shows that Vicarius Filii Dei is not

a Papal title!

Rather, in the Donation of Constantine, the Pope is the “supreme pontiff”, “universal pope” and vicar of Peter or Vicarius Petrus. The document is called the Donation of Constantine and is a forgery.

Tell your friends to abandon the Seventh Day Adventist cult and seek the truth.

 

[da_xavier]

Okay, thank you for all, my brothers…

 

[Michael_Francis]

Question answered. Thread closed.
Thanks guys!
MF