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Video for all protestant. I want to hear your opinion on this video...
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A lengthy video, and Anders was Presbyterian. Any one thing you are asking about?
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wisdomseeker
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maybe. did you watch the whole video?
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wisdomseeker
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ok thank you
Well, one thing i would say is that I’m uncomfortable with the way he describes Lutheranism, and our view of sola fide, and without intending disrespect, that doesn’t seem unusual coming from the Calvinist perspective.
Who knows, maybe my understanding of Lutheran soteriology is all wet.
Or maybe my soteriology isn’t Lutheran anymore.
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Well, i think he stated the facts based in what he studied. and he also described the state of mind of martin luther. I think he is pretty accurately that is why he converted to the Truth.Well, one thing i would say is that I’m uncomfortable with the way he describes Lutheranism, and our view of sola fide, and without intending disrespect, that doesn’t seem unusual coming from the Calvinist perspective.
Who knows, maybe my understanding of Lutheran soteriology is all wet.
Or maybe my soteriology isn’t Lutheran anymore.
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He stated his opinion of the facts, certainly. It is curious that you think, or even he says, that he became Catholic based on Luther. If I became Catholic, it certainly wouldn’t be because of what Calvin or Zwingli, for instance, thought. The fact that I’m Lutheran already indicates that I don’t accept their theologies. In fact, given the choice of being either Presbyterian or Catholic, I’d be Catholic, too.
Generally, however, he makes a strong case as to why he became Catholic, and I completely respect his decision process, and I wish him God’s blessings in word and sacrament.
Was this the point you were trying to make with the video?
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AmateurPianist
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Watched. Was interesting. In the end it is one person’s story. Different people have different stories. I know stories of conversion going the other way, so I don’t know how much weight to put on one story.
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MontChevalier
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Seems like a good video.
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wisdomseeker
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it is not an opinion but it is based on true facts and the Truth.
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AmateurPianist
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I didn’t use the word “opinion”. I used the word “story”.
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ChrisB103
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I’ve been interested in seeing conversion stories of devout Catholics who know their faith well and leave for doctrinal reasons to Protestant communities. Do you know of any online? It’s likely due to not looking in the right places, but the conversion stories I’ve seen away from Catholicism have been predominantly for subjective reasons (unhappiness, issues with a priest, unsatisfied with programs, etc). To restate, my parameters are that they must have left for objective reasons, not subjective ones. Also, I’m not suggesting that they don’t exist, it’s just something I’ve been curious about. Thanks in advance!
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Me…
Nope…but I’ve never looked for them. Individual stories of course are interesting but I am not sure how significant they are.
I am thinking of people I know in real life who say they never found God in a Catholic church but found Him outside of one.
To be fair I also know people who definitely did find God in a Catholic church.
I also do not know in real life anybody with a story like this video. I sort of wish I did…it would be interesting.
The closest I know is my niece who became Catholic through marriage.
Edit: While they probably exist I suspect they are relatively rare. Reason…from my observation Catholics are a very loyal bunch…which is a good thing imho.
Edit: I do recall having read some conversion stories of a nun or a priest out of Catholicism. This was a long time ago and I forgot the details.
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I have heard a couple snippets from conversion stories of people who were supposedly priests or nuns as well. The ones I have heard have been invariably anti-Catholic, poorly informed individuals who really don’t seem to have ever had a grasp on the Faith.
And I agree with you that not too much emphasis should be put on whether or not people convert. We should examine the reasons why they convert. This was basically my point. I’ve seen a lot of videos on EWTN’s Journey Home program of honest, level-headed Protestants who have been happy within Protestantism until they essentially read their way into Catholicism. Basically, I’m curious if an objective search into Catholicism and various Protestant faiths in which one truly understands both sides results in someone moving out of Catholicism. I simply haven’t seen a case of this.
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How could an ex-priest or nun be “anti-Catholic, poorly informed individuals who really don’t seem to have ever had a grasp on the Faith.”
It seems to me there has to be a considerable amount of time and study before somebody becomes a nun or priest.
Unless of course your organization allows poorly informed, clueless folks who are against the Catholic faith to become priests or nuns. But I think your organization is better run than that.
Not that this issue is all that important to me.
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ChrisB103
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I agree, that’s why I have serious doubts about whether or not they were actually priests or nuns. I once saw a conversion story of a former Catholic nun to Islam, and she was under the impression that the Trinity was a relatively new doctrine. The entire concept of someone being a priest or nun would seem to support them knowing the faith well, which makes the stories seem incredulous to me because they go all the way to being anti-Catholic fundamentalists. They’ve just always seemed suspicious to me.How could an ex-priest or nun be “anti-Catholic, poorly informed individuals who really don’t seem to have ever had a grasp on the Faith.”
It seems to me there has to be a considerable amount of time and study before somebody becomes a nun or priest.
Unless of course your organization allows poorly informed, clueless folks who are against the Catholic faith to become priests or nuns. But I think your organization is better run than that.
Not that this issue is all that important to me.
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Kristin234
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Exactly. It really irritates me when people say the only reason someone left Catholicism is because they don’t have a grasp on their faith.
I know someone who is an ex-priest. He was a priest for many many years. I was once telling someone about him and I purposely left out the fact that he used to be a Catholic priest. I told that person that this man used to be Catholic and he converted and that person automatically jumped to conclusions and said that this man did not know anything about the Catholic faith and that he was ignorant. He really didn’t know what to say after I told him that this man was a Catholic priest for almost 40 years, and that when he was younger he grew up in the church and was constantly surrounded by priests.
People can say what they want but when it comes down to it he didn’t leave the Catholic church because he was misinformed or ignorant. He also did not leave because he was unhappy or was beginning to hate the church. He left because he finally believed that he found God and the truth outside of the church. He has been bashed by many, but to say it is impossible to leave the Church unless you want to rebel or do not know anything about the faith is very arrogant.
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Nicea325
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And their is something else to describe or explain besides a “personal” story?
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Nicea325
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What gets me when someone says they found God outside the Catholic Church? :ehh: I never knew God was hiding from the Catholic Church or Catholics in general?
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