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Personally, I can’t play games like GTA or Assassin’s Creed. I have friends and a brother who get into them, and use the “It’s just a game” argument, but I still don’t see the purpose in pretending to murder people for fun. I’m still a huge gamer, but I play games for the chance to do things I’d want to do in real life, but can’t: fight monsters, rescue the princess, save the world. I just don’t get people who want to be the villain.
I think you don’t undertstand what Assassin’s Creed really is, and I hae to see someone miss out on an excellent game. You are not an assassin for hire that just murders people; you are part of a group that assassinates powerful evil men who use their power to rule completely and brainwash the people. The evil mens’ goal is to bring peace by removing free will.

Your goal is to stop them and bring peace by freedom. Your ultimate goal is to end the crusades and bring peace to the Holy Land. You could have a good debate about whether the assassination of these men is morally justified or not, but Assassin’s Creed is just as much saving the world as any other game.
 
On the other hand though, online games are also known for their ‘guild wars’. Special tournaments between large organized groups of players. What do you think about those?
Well, I can tell you what I personally think.

I’m not sure if I can tell you what the Catholic Church’s stance is on these games where you hack and slash fellow creatures.

I can’t say it is a mortal sin or not for certain.

On the one hand you can argue it is pure fantasy; on the other hand movies are also pure fantasy, and the Catholic Church has always opposed graphic depictions of sex and violence in the film industry.

You might want to check the USCCB website (that is the United States Catholic Conference of Bishops) and see if they have issued any statements on video games.

You also might want to see how they treat the movies .

Actually, I think a lot of people here at this site and the Catholic TV channel, at least my opinion and impression is that a lot of “orthodox” Catholics for some reason don’t care for the USCCB, or at least their Staff.

I’m not sure why this exactly is the case (I mean, it is the USCCB after all), but I think it may have had to do with something with the way Vatican II was implemented.

Anyway, you might want to look how they treat Hollywood movies now. They review movies.

(I think in the 1950s they had a list of films that were immoral and thus Catholics were not supposed to see films on this list; but I think, in more recent decades, the USCCB has become more open about the entertainment Catholics can watch, and they have received criticism from other Catholics because of the more liberal stance *).

And see if as a Catholic if you either must or should follow their recommendations on films.

This is a big area. If I remember correctly, seeing Harry Potter could not be said to be a mortal sin, but I think for the Da Vinci Code, I remember Fr. Benedict Groeschel on EWTN’s Sunday Night Live show said unless you had a bona fide reason to see the film, for instance, you work as a Catholic movie critic or are a newspaper movie reviewer, I think he said it was a mortal sin to see it.

See, I’ve only seen two movies in the last year, so I don’t have to think about this stuff too much.

Anyway, getting back to my personal opinion. I don’t think you can go wrong playing the WWII stuff.

Are the guild wars like in a big arena, and you hack and slash each other to death, and its human versus human and other humanoid races??

Yeah, I’d say that isn’t good because it is just murdering each other and the Catholic Church has always opposed Dueling.

In fact, I think if you died in a duel during the 18th century you were excommunicated.

The Western World now romanticizes Dueling in novels and movies and TV shows.

But Dueling was just a possible double murder waiting to happen.

There’s a lot of WWII games like Medal of Honor and Call of Duty.

I wish I had more time to research this stuff and give you a more definitive answer, but unfortunately, I just don’t.

You’ll have to try to find out more about it, and if you do (or anyone else) let me know.

If was a Spiritual Advisor, I would say don’t play games that had wanton killing of human beings in them.*
 
so i have friends who like to play violent video games.

it’s all fantasy and pretend. is it a sin to play? i have no ill intent by playing them, it’s just because i don’t want to sit out and look like a loser. 🤷
**Video games are supposed to be just that - GAMES.

GAME -
  1. an amusement or pastime
  2. a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.
If video games use murder, deceit, manipulation to hurt or incapacitate, they are sinful to engage in. One does not acquire skill, improve one’s chances of winning, or improve endurance by using video games that employ rape, sex, or murder.

You have it backwards. Those who engage in such games are the losers (of their souls), not you.**
 
One does not acquire skill, improve one’s chances of winning, or improve endurance by using video games that employ rape, sex, or murder.
peary, I’m confused about your post. You seem to be only talking about games like Pong. Video games have progressed very far from what they started as.
Those who engage in such games are the losers (of their souls)…
Are you saying that anyone who plays video games depicting sinful behavior is going to Hell? That would be a very presumptuous blanket statement.
 
My 15 yr old son plays Call of Duty with his friends…I can’t get over how boring this game is, (to me) It’s basically an endless war game, and my son has a head piece (blue tooth?) that he gets to chat with his school friends, and they make teams. I often stroll into his room, lay on his bed, chat with him while he plays, and watch. It puts me to sleep. :yawn: lol

He says that he likes the strategizing of it. He ‘beat’ the game ‘Assassins Creed,’ another big yawn, but my son likes to strategize. I often wonder if he will be interested in the army/marines some day, as he loves war movies, and war games. But, that being said, he knows this is just a game. He also plays an online game called Runescape, which is not violent really…kind of like Dungeons and Dragons. I think what he likes about these games, is that he can communicate with his friends, and play at the same time.(together)

He also plays sports, thankfully–I think video games have made our culture lazy in so many ways.
 
My 15 yr old son plays Call of Duty with his friends…I can’t get over how boring this game is, (to me) It’s basically an endless war game, and my son has a head piece (blue tooth?) that he gets to chat with his school friends, and they make teams. I often stroll into his room, lay on his bed, chat with him while he plays, and watch. It puts me to sleep. :yawn: lol

He says that he likes the strategizing of it. He ‘beat’ the game ‘Assassins Creed,’ another big yawn, but my son likes to strategize. I often wonder if he will be interested in the army/marines some day, as he loves war movies, and war games. But, that being said, he knows this is just a game. He also plays an online game called Runescape, which is not violent really…kind of like Dungeons and Dragons. I think what he likes about these games, is that he can communicate with his friends, and play at the same time.(together)

He also plays sports, thankfully–I think video games have made our culture lazy in so many ways.
Well that’s because games like that aren’t really your cup of tea. My mom feels the same way as you as well. I think the generation gap may have something to do with it. XD

However, not all games have you sitting on your toosh holding a controller. There are a lot of arcade dancing games where you really have to move your legs (and sometimes even your arms). Trust me, I use to play one and my mom saw it as good exercise. 😉
 
peary, I’m confused about your post. You seem to be only talking about games like Pong. Video games have progressed very far from what they started as.

Read my post again, and the definition I typed in for the word GAME. Not only is a game a form of entertainment, but it also helps one acquire skill, endurance, and how to follow or discover rules.

Are you saying that anyone who plays video games depicting sinful behavior is going to Hell? That would be a very presumptuous blanket statement.

Games that use murder, rape, illicit and explicit sex and other sinful behavior are morally reprehensible and are an occasion of sin. It may lead one to perdition and should not be engaged in.
 
Me: I’m confused about your post.
You: Read my post again.
:rotfl:
Read my post again, and the definition I typed in for the word GAME. Not only is a game a form of entertainment, but it also helps one acquire skill, endurance, and how to follow or discover rules.
A video game is nothing more than entertainment. It isn’t meant to help us “acquire skill, endurance, and how to follow or discover rules.” Some video games can do those things perhaps, but that is not the purpose of the game at all.
Games that use murder, rape, illicit and explicit sex and other sinful behavior are morally reprehensible and are an occasion of sin. It may lead one to perdition and should not be engaged in.
Games the depict sinful behavior can be an occasion of sin for some people. This is the exception rather than the rule. If someone feels that playing certain video games leads them into temptation then they certainly should not play those games. Most gamers can separate fantasy from reality, so it isn’t an occasion of sin for them.
 
Me: I’m confused about your post.
You: Read my post again.
:rotfl:

A video game is nothing more than entertainment. It isn’t meant to help us “acquire skill, endurance, and how to follow or discover rules.” Some video games can do those things perhaps, but that is not the purpose of the game at all.

**Tell that to our top-notch AF pilots who were weaned on video games. And it IS a proven fact that video games can help one acquire skill, endurance, and discover rules and how things work. They use video games in schools for many subjects. **

Games the depict sinful behavior can be an occasion of sin for some people. This is the exception rather than the rule. If someone feels that playing certain video games leads them into temptation then they certainly should not play those games. Most gamers can separate fantasy from reality, so it isn’t an occasion of sin for them.
**In one word, so-called video games that use murder, rape and sex for entertainment are PORNOGRAPHY.

As for “if someone feels that playing certain video games leads them into temptation then they shouldn’t play those games…” The last thing to know it’s in water is a fish.
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Tell that to our top-notch AF pilots who were weaned on video games. And it IS a proven fact that video games can help one acquire skill, endurance, and discover rules and how things work. They use video games in schools for many subjects.
Obviously, playing video games make you better at playing video games. That is very similar to what Air Force pilots are doing (especially with modern UAV technology). I did not say that video games can’t do the things you listed, I said that wasn’t their purpose.
In one word, so-called video games that use murder, rape and sex for entertainment are PORNOGRAPHY.
:rotfl:
Video games are not intended to create arousal or sexual pleasure (how does murder relate to pornography? :confused: ).
As for “if someone feels that playing certain video games leads them into temptation then they shouldn’t play those games…” The last thing to know it’s in water is a fish.
Fish do not have the advantage of a rational mind or a properly formed conscience. 😉
I believe that we are capable of seeing our own sins, radical as that notion may be.
 
Video games are not intended to create arousal or sexual pleasure (how does murder relate to pornography? :confused: ).

Do you think pornography only incorporates sexual arousal or sexual pleasure? Extreme violence ,murder, rape and related areas either in movies or in video games are pornography as far as I am concerned.

Fish do not have the advantage of a rational mind or a properly formed conscience. 😉

I believe that we are capable of seeing our own sins, radical as that notion may be.

The last person to know he or she is suffering from an addiction is the addict.

:dts:
 
Video games are not intended to create arousal or sexual pleasure (how does murder relate to pornography? ).
Caesar, I’ll just mention an anecdote.

I purchased some games at a GameStop store, and as usual, I always check my receipt and look over the discs of the used Xbox games I purchased to make sure they weren’t too scuffed up.

Well, the Store Clerk had obviously given me the wrong receipt, because the receipt was for a Playboy video game and several other games which I hadn’t purchased.

I told the clerk that I was given the wrong receipt, showed it to him, and he gave me the correct receipt.

So some of these video games are pornographic in nature (I would imagine it is a combination of anime and film video clips), though those that are blatantly pornographic are a small minority of them (I think).

I think I read in a recent issue of GameStop magazine’s “Game Informer,” I think I read about some sort of Las Vegas game that is supposed to include some sort of lap dances (with the dancers clothed) if the game manufacturer can avoid a bad rating from the ESRB.

I guess my point is that the folks who create this stuff know that both sex and violence sells; it always has, so there will always be elements of sex and violence portrayed in varying degrees in some of these games so the manufacturer can peddle it easier and sell it and get rich.
 
I guess my point is that the folks who create this stuff know that both sex and violence sells; it always has, so there will always be elements of sex and violence portrayed in varying degrees in some of these games so the manufacturer can peddle it easier and sell it and get rich.
That’s very true. I do think limited sexual content and violence within reason is a good thing; we face similar struggles in real life, so this can make video games more realistic and easier to relate to.

There certainly are some games which are pornographic in nature. Dead or Alive: Extreme Beach Volleyball is one example.

I don’t think all games that contain sexual content can be classified as such, though.
 
Do you think pornography only incorporates sexual arousal or sexual pleasure? Extreme violence ,murder, rape and related areas either in movies or in video games are pornography as far as I am concerned.
If that’s how you feel then I agree that video games are not for you and I respect you for avoiding them.

I’m curious, though: How do you feel about books (mainly fiction)? Many books contain elements of violence, murder, and sexual activity. Does this necessarily make them pornographic? [not talking about the books that are blatantly pornographic and sexual fantasy based] Is The Odyssey pornographic because Odysseus has sex with Calypso?
The last person to know he or she is suffering from an addiction is the addict.
Not all activites become addictions.
 
If that’s how you feel then I agree that video games are not for you and I respect you for avoiding them.

I’m curious, though: How do you feel about books (mainly fiction)? Many books contain elements of violence, murder, and sexual activity. Does this necessarily make them pornographic? [not talking about the books that are blatantly pornographic and sexual fantasy based] Is The Odyssey pornographic because Odysseus has sex with Calypso?

Not all activites become addictions.
Just a note of thought -

Bishop warns against graphic video games

Published: February 28, 2008

Auxiliary Bishop of Sydney Julian Porteous says desensitisation to violence or sexual imagery does not promote the dignity of the human person and is not in the best interest of society.

While Bishop Porteous believes the causes of violence and crime in society is a very complex problem, the problem should not be compounded by video games that “numb our natural repulsion to violence”, he told The Catholic Weekly.

“In regard to sexually explicit games, it reduces women in particular to mere objects of instant self gratification,” Bishop Porteous said.

“We know from psychological research that exposure to violent video games can desensitise people to real-life violence,” he said.

The most violent video games on the market could soon be sold in Australia after the Federal Government said it was considering updating the classification system for games to include an R18+ rating.

Unlike films, magazines and other publications, there is no adult classification for games in Australia, so any titles that do not meet the MA15+ standard are simply banned.

A spokeswoman for the NSW Home Affairs Minister Bob Debus confirmed that the issue of whether to allow an R18+ classification for games would be discussed by censorship ministers at the next Standing Committee of Attorneys-General meeting on March 28.

Also -

What the Catechism Says About Pornography

Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials. CCC #2354

Chastity includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery which is a training in human freedom. The alternative is clear: either man governs his passions and finds peace, or he lets himself be dominated by them and becomes unhappy. “Man’s dignity therefore requires him to act out of conscious and free choice, as moved and drawn in a personal way from within, and not by blind impulses in himself or by mere external constraint. Man gains such dignity when, ridding himself of all slavery to the passions, he presses forward to his goal by freely choosing what is good and, by his diligence and skill, effectively secures for himself the means suited to this end.” CCC #2339

Whoever wants to remain faithful to his baptismal promises and resist temptations will want to adopt the means for doing so: self-knowledge … obedience to God’s commandments, exercise of the moral virtues, and fidelity to prayer. CCC #2340

Self-mastery is a long and exacting work. One can never consider it acquired once and for all. It presupposes renewed effort at all stages of life. The effort required can be more intense in certain periods, such as when the personality is being formed during childhood and adolescence. CCC #2342

Chastity has laws of growth which progress through stages marked by imperfection and too often by sin. “Man … day by day builds himself up through his many free decisions; and so he knows, loves, and accomplishes moral good by stages of growth.”[Familiaris Consortio 34] CCC #2343

Lead Us Not Into Temptation
This petition goes to the root of the preceding one, for our sins result from our consenting to temptation; we therefore ask our Father not to “lead” us into temptation. It is difficult to translate the Greek verb used by a single English word: the Greek means both “do not allow us to enter into temptation” and “do not let us yield to temptation.” “God cannot be tempted by evil and he himself tempts no one”[James 1:13]; on the contrary, he wants to set us free from evil. We ask him not to allow us to take the way that leads to sin. We are engaged in the battle “between flesh and spirit”; this petition implores the Spirit of discernment and strength. CCC #2846

The Holy Spirit makes us discern between trials, which are necessary for the growth of the inner man, and temptation, which leads to sin and death. We must also discern between being tempted and consenting to temptation. Finally, discernment unmasks the lie of temptation, whose object appears to be good, a “delight to the eyes” and desirable, when in reality its fruit is death. CCC #2847
 
I agree that video games have the danger of desensitization. That doesn’t make playing them sinful, nor does it mean they should be avoided completely.

I’m not sure what any of the Catechism quotes have to do with this discussion. Would you like to explain them?

You haven’t answered my question about books.
 
I guess my point is that the folks who create this stuff know that both sex and violence sells; it always has, so there will always be elements of sex and violence portrayed in varying degrees in some of these games so the manufacturer can peddle it easier and sell it and get rich.
Hey man, it can’t be helped. Heck I’m studying to be a writer for both video games and my own manga (anime comic) and from what I’ve learned, titles that are as clean as people like peary would want them to be, don’t last long in terms of popularity nor win prizes from the critics circle.

Yes I know what you’re thinking, “So what if it’s not popular?”

Unfortunately, popularity and a large fanbase is everything if you wanna keep your career alive and at the same time, wanna keep preaching the message you intend to portray with your stories/games/comics. It’s sad but that’s the reality. You really have to keep your audience interested at the same time, do it in a way that won’t compromise the messages you have for them.

Although, in case you’re wondering, I think I’ve figured out one way to do it. 🤷
 
Well that’s because games like that aren’t really your cup of tea. My mom feels the same way as you as well. I think the generation gap may have something to do with it. XD

However, not all games have you sitting on your toosh holding a controller. There are a lot of arcade dancing games where you really have to move your legs (and sometimes even your arms). Trust me, I use to play one and my mom saw it as good exercise. 😉
My kids have dance dance revolution…I’m always booed.😊 😃 I love guitar hero though…my dd, ds and me all play this together…it’s great! Not all video games are bad, that’s for sure.
 
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