Video of liturgical dancers

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Isidore_AK:
Maybe someone should make sure to e-mail a copy of this to the Pope… :eek:
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I agree.

BenedictXVI@vatican.va ??? maybe??

We could write to the Apostolic Nuncio.

Apostolic Nuncio
Archbishop Pietro Sambi
3339 Massachusetts Avenue
N.W. Washington DC 20008-3687
 
Everyone take a look at that wine that is used. The more I look at it the more I realize that I don’t think I’ve ever seen wine that looks like that. Someone earlier mentioned Koolaid - that’s exactly what it looks like. Who would be surprised if wine wasn’t used? Not me - and I hate that I say that.

It probably is wine - but it’s terrible that I can actually seriously think the Cardinal Archbishop of LA just might not use wine for Mass.
 
Pax vobiscum!

And people wonder why the SSPX and other groups like them exist…

I am getting really sick and tired of this kind of stuff going on.
Mass is not supposed to be “fun time”. The music is not supposed to be “dancable”. There is not supposed to be any dancing of any sort going on. Mass is a solemn sacrifice and should be treated as such. The Novus Ordo is a beatiful Mass, every bit as beatiful as the TLM if done correctly and reverently, like the one I normally attend. It saddens me deeply to see this type of thing going on…especially in the presence of a cardinal!:eek:

In Christ,
Rand
 
Someone with more technical savy than me really needs to send these pics to Arinze and Pope Benedict. This is such a disgrace.
Someome mentioned the Apostolic Nuncio…what is that? What responsibility lies there?

I honestly don’t know if I would have stayed or left if I had been there. This is so over the top I’m not even sure what the right thing to do is. It’s such a repugnant mockery of the Sacred Mass.
 
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Elzee:
Someone with more technical savy than me really needs to send these pics to Arinze and Pope Benedict. This is such a disgrace.
Someome mentioned the Apostolic Nuncio…what is that? What responsibility lies there?

I honestly don’t know if I would have stayed or left if I had been there. This is so over the top I’m not even sure what the right thing to do is. It’s such a repugnant mockery of the Sacred Mass.
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The Apostolic or Papal Nuncio is sorta the Pope’s representative. Each country has one.
 
I haven’t notice that anybody has mentioned so far the the Gospel was read with the assistance of two lay persons, and that the sermon was delivered by a woman. Also, they have completely bought into that praise music mode of thought. To sing worthily is to repeat the same “praise 'phrase” over and over ad nauseum because it supposedly gets (certain) people worked up into an emotional state of, well I don’t know what.

The problem is that where they have bought into these things, the people who love them have become so attached to them that for everyone of us who has to think twice about walking out of even a single Mass no matter how awful, there would be fifty who would walk out and never come back again if you told them they couldn’t have their precious guitars and snare drums and heaven knows what else. Some of us might say “that’s their choice,” but even if it were so, empty pews don’t pay bills.
 
Are you sure this wasn’t a replay of my diocese’s 25th anniversary Mass which was celebrated in a well known sporting arena which shall go unnamed even though the team which inhabits the arena was in this year’s Final Four.

I sang in the choir and had to pick my jaw up off the floor when the liturgical dancers (all female in gauzy flowing pastel colored longish skirts and capes over leotards) came swaying in with bowls of burning incense. Shades of Cecil B. deMille!

I saw it again a few years later at our cathedral for the anniversary of a local group of nuns. Same deal, except this time they added May poles - long poles with streamers and danced in behind them and the buring incense bowls.

On the other hand, I saw something similiar when JPII celebrated Mass in Mexico City. The liturgical dancers were dressed as Aztecs and they came into the hall (I don’t think it was the cathedral) dressed as Aztecs and carrying bowls of burning copal incense. They carried in a banner of Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe. All this was done within the context of an ethnicly and historically correct ceremony. This, I believe, is a horse of a different color.
 
Rand Al'Thor:
Pax vobiscum!

And people wonder why the SSPX and other groups like them exist…

I am getting really sick and tired of this kind of stuff going on.
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My thoughts exactly. It is HIGH time that this type of thing was erased from the Church. Afraid of schism in the “American Catholic Church”? Bring it on! I’m sick of this!
 
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nkelly:
As far as I know there is always supposed to be a crucifix on the altar during Mass:

From NewAdvent Catholic Encyclopedia:

The crucifix is the principal ornament of the altar. It is placed on the altar to recall to the mind of the celebrant, and the people, that the Victim offered on the altar is the same as was offered on the Cross. For this reason the crucifix must be placed on the altar as often as Mass is celebrated (Constit., Accepimus of Benedict XIV, 16 July, 1746). The rubric of the Roman Missal (xx) prescribes that it be placed at the middle of the altar between the candlesticks, and that it be large enough to be conveniently seen by both the celebrant and the people (Cong. Sac. Rit., 17 September, 1822). If for any reason this crucifix is removed, another may take its place in a lower position; but in such cases it must always be visible to all who assist at Mass (ibid.).

Noel.
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Is there supposed to be a crucifix on the altar even if there is one above or behind it - or if the processional cross is next to the altar? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a crucifix on an altar.
 
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Elzee:
Is there supposed to be a crucifix on the altar even if there is one above or behind it - or if the processional cross is next to the altar? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a crucifix on an altar.
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Pax tecum!

The cross need not be ON the altar–suspended above or on the wall directly behind it is OK. However, a nun who is in charge of the implementation of liturgy (don’t remember the official name) for our archdiocese told me that as long as it is in plain view it is OK. I believe this is accurate, though I believe it should be as close to the altar and tabernacle as possible. Also, I believe that in the TLM Masses where the altar and tabernacle are a single unit the crucifix is usually a part of that, connected to the altar or tabernacle. At least, that’s what I’ve seen in pictures but I’ve never been to the TLM at a church that always does it (I went to a couple Dominican Rite Latin Masses but they just said Mass from the other side of the altar they use for the NO).

Last year someone stole the crucifix out of our church because someone forgot to lock the doors one night (it was suspended about 10 feet above the altar, so they HAD to have brought a ladder into the church and there must have been more than one of them because it was pretty large). Father put a small crucifix on the altar until we got a new one to hang above it.

In Christ,
Rand
 
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4HisChurch:
My thoughts exactly. It is HIGH time that this type of thing was erased from the Church. Afraid of schism in the “American Catholic Church”? Bring it on! I’m sick of this!
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I feel the same way as you do, but schisms are very dangerous. The ordinations of schimatic bishops still count if I understand correctly. Which is really scary when you think about it.
 
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computerguy:
That was a mass??? :hmmm:
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I didn’t see a Mass on the video tape. I think (hope, pray) that it was just a performance.
Several years ago for our Lenten mission we had a priest who used show tunes in his talks. Up near the altar he had a piano which he played while he sang the show tunes.
It was extremely weird.
BUT…there was no Mass attached.
Back when we were in Episcopal Church we were exposed to liturgical dancing. I knew several of the dancers. But I could never bring myself to tell them how inappropriate their dancing seemed to be IMHO.
So far at our Catholic parish our priests have said “no” to liturgical dance. 🙂
 
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Ace86:
I feel the same way as you do, but schisms are very dangerous. The ordinations of schimatic bishops still count if I understand correctly. Which is really scary when you think about it.
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Don’t they loose succession - if they go to far of the deep end, like what happened to the Anglicans.
 
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Walking_Home:
Don’t they loose succession - if they go to far of the deep end, like what happened to the Anglicans.
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Pax tecum!

Bishops and priests still retain valid orders even if they go into schism. The best examples of this are the Orthodox and SSPX. Both have a valid episcopacy, so both have a valid Mass (consecration), though of course the Orthodox call it the Divine Liturgy. Apostolic succession ends not when they go off the deep end, but when someone is ordained by someone other than a validly consecrated bishop. In the Church of England, for example, what happened was that all the bishops that had been validly ordained (and in turn ordained others as priests after the break from Rome–those were valid priests) died (or were killed) without having consecrated new bishops. Since only a validly consecrated bishop can validly ordain someone a priest, there were no more validly ordained priests in the Church of England.
With the Orthodox, however, they kept the line of apostolic succession in tact, with their Patriarchs validly consecrating bishops, so they still have a legitimate episcopacy and priesthood.

I hope this didn’t sound too complicated.😛

In Christ,
Rand
 
DH’s comments when I just showed him this video were -

“That’s what happens when you live in a community full of out of work people with majors in interpretive dance… . . .Bunch of pagan heathens.”

I love DH more and more every day. :rotfl:
 
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Ace86:
I feel the same way as you do, but schisms are very dangerous. The ordinations of schimatic bishops still count if I understand correctly. Which is really scary when you think about it.
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You make a good point. I really feel something must be done about this, though. This conference is all over the Catholic blogosphere and is causing increasing scandal.
 
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